Modern Tory party only f**king kids financially and socially, insist officials

[blacksunday]

With allegations of child abuse against former Conservative prime minister Edward Heath, the current Tory government has promised they’ll only ever f*ck kids financially and socially.

Detectives in Wiltshire, London, Jersey, Kent and Hampshire are now known to be examining claims that the former Tory leader was a paedophile, though government officials insisted the current crop are not that way inclined whatsoever.

A party spokesperson explained, “We’re not into the direct physical abuse of children, not at all. We’re more into the unrelenting socio-economic abuse of the poorest ones.”

“Honestly, nothing gets us off quite like it.”

“We don’t like horrific photos of children under the control of paedophiles – but show us a photo of a small dirty child crying outside a food bank whilst its mother tries to scrape up enough handouts to make it some dinner, and blimey – you’ll really get our motor running.”

“You could hang your coat on it.”

“No, don’t worry, the way in which we prefer to f*ck kids is perfectly legal – trust us, we’ve checked.”

newsthump.com/2015/08/05/modern-tory-party-only-fcking-kids-financially-and-socially-insist-officials/

Every Tory I have ever known including me is behind the welfare state. The reason we want mnoey to go where it is needed is because we are wise and want to ensure only those who need it get it. That is wisdom and compassionate care for the poor unlike the Labour lot.

Really? Well, it isn't. So your party is failing you.

Absolutely. I do not understand how so many can fail to see what is happening to the most vulnerable and worse, those that are aware but think it is ok and continue to vote for a party that picks on the voiceless.

mateysmum-

Yep, that's right, only the rich and powerful vote Tory - that's why they just won a general election.

Tory voters really need to get over themselves. They've won a slender majority in Parliament on the back of 36.9% of the vote.

Labour increased its vote share from 2010 by a larger percentage than the Tories (1.5 % vs. 0.8 %).

If you count the 'liberal' and 'left' vote, then Labour, LD, SNP, and Green, attained a considerably larger percentage of total votes than Tory.

The country hasn't all of a sudden become a Tory country. You are in a minority. The Tory party isn't representative of the public.

And of course, as soon as a person becomes "rich" they lose their "moral compass" and think only of screwing the poor.

No, but many of them do lose touch, and completely forget what it's like to be poor, and are not exposed to, or live amongst, poor people. So 'the poor' are just this mythical group of 'scroungers', rather than real human beings who are suffering every day under violent Tory policies.

Of course the Labour party never spent more than they should have - just those bastard bankers of course.

They may have run a deficit - like every other party has for almost every year for the past 20+ years - but they were not responsible for the debt and deficit skyrocketing after 2007. That was caused by the casino Capitalist.

Tories don't care nope, that's why Britain is creating more jobs, low inflation and positive economic growth that is the envy of other countries.

It isn't. This is the longest economic recovery on record, and any gains which are being made are not being felt by the majority of the population. Wages have stagnated for almost a decade.

I've had enough of all this left wing bullshit which ignores facts and treats most of the voters as if they were blind and stupid.

It's you who is ignoring facts.

You can play the statistics however you like, but the fact remains, more people voted for the Tories than any other single party and most of those voters are ordinary working people.
The poor are always with us and we fundamentally disagree but the best way to give disadvantaged people a better chance in life.
Labour spent far more than the country could afford. Others have provided numbers above.
Yes the recovery has taken a long time because Labour left such a dreadful legacy.
The fact is, Labour failed to persuade enough people that they could be trusted on the economy.

That doesn't explain why the Torys think it is ok to behave like utter **! Running competitions to see how many people they can sanction, not telling claimants what benefits they are entitled to, even when they are asked directly, their treatment of disabled people over the bedroom tax, their treatment of people who have had a bereavement and the bedroom tax, their redefining of the definition of child poverty when they realised they were not going to be able to reduce it, the disaster that is the Work Programme..... Shall I go on?

Their introduction of the Child Maintenance Servicd and the impact this will have on those who have fled abusive partners.. I often wonder how many conservative voters actually understand what they are voting for.

"That doesn't explain why the Torys think it is ok to behave like utter ! Running competitions to see how many people they can sanction, not telling claimants what benefits they are entitled to, even when they are asked directly, their treatment of disabled people over the bedroom tax, their treatment of people who have had a bereavement and the bedroom tax, their redefining of the definition of child poverty when they realised they were not going to be able to reduce it, the disaster that is the Work Programme..... Shall I go on?"

Not really as not much point if you STILL blame Thatcher for the Labour shit-stack they passed her of 20% inflation/interest rates, penal taxes up to 80-90%, the IMF financial bailout they needed in 1976 and manufacturing falling/trending down from 29% of our economy in 1970 to around 23% by 1979.

Also you appear incapable of seeing the benefits of over 2.5 million private sector jobs from 2010 that COULD NOT have happened under Labour's country model, or why the bedroom tax trying to free up over 800,000 unused spare bedrooms in 2010 was so important to MILLIONS of the the poorest in society failed by 13-years of Labour - choosing to politically focus on a minority of situations the Local Authorities appear incapable of handling with some discretion/funds.

Shelter (2009); The housing crisis in numbers – and the need for spare bedrooms, never mind homes.
england.shelter.org.uk/campaigns/why_we_campaign/the_housing_crisis/what_is_the_housing_crisis.

• Over 1.7 million households (around 5 million individuals) are currently waiting for social housing
• 7.4 million homes in England fail to meet the Government's Decent Homes Standard
• 1.4 million children in England live in bad housing. [3]
• In 2008/09, 654,000 households in England were overcrowded. [4]
• The number of new households is increasing faster than the number of house builds.
• The UK is now more polarised by housing wealth than at any time since the Victorian era.

As for child poverty, tell a fecking African child they are in poverty earning over 22k a year.

Under Labour by 2010, with an annual and trending higher £153 bil overspend and heading ever HIGHER - as had not the first clue how to revive the private sector and million or so jobs lost that PAYS for all our bills never mind the children in those families - even they knew the welfare/benefit monster they created had to be addressed.

But as from Lands End to John of Groats (whatever) socialist politician need to feed their faithful with anti Tory nasty party 'red meat', they pretend there is some 'kin money tree, where we can borrow and borrow and creditors will put up with it when becomes clear we'll struggle to pay it back - how DID it work out for Greece stomping their feet demanding ever more money?

March 2010; ”Alistair Darling: we will cut deeper than Margaret Thatcher”
www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher

October 2013; “Labour will be tougher than Tories on benefits, promises new welfare chief”
www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/12/labour-benefits-tories-labour-rachel-reeves-welfare

“Rachel Reeves vows to cut welfare bill and force long-term jobless to take up work offers or lose state support”

August 2013; “Labour to substantially cut benefits bill if it wins power in 2015”
www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/aug/21/labour-to-cut-benefits-bill-2015

”Labour will cut the benefits bill "quite substantially" and more effectively than the Tories if it wins power in 2015, the shadow work and pensions secretary said on Tuesday”

”Liam Byrne, a Labour frontbencher, said the coalition's welfare reforms were failing to cut costs enough, and called for cross-party talks to "save" some of the government's key schemes.”

What policies a socialist/Labour Party would have brought in to cut the unsustainable, we will never know, as they are political cowards unable to address the problems they created for fear of being punished at the ballot box - which is why they clearly NOW, under Corbyn, are far more comfortable being 'ideologically pure' and OPPOSING everything a Conservative govern does - as they have for the previous 5-years.

scarlettsmummy2 .... "I often wonder how many conservative voters actually understand what they are voting for."

Well after the state of the State Labour passed the Conservatives in 1979 and 2010, how ANYONE votes for any socialist party that Lemming like would all follow the same policies to economic destruction - where from Venezuela to Greece the poor will always come out the worse - is totally beyond my comprehension.

P.S. How do YOU justify the 13-year results of Labour's dire home building record through times government spending increased (2001 to 2008) by around 50% in real terms - and end 2010 social consequencies for families/children?

"I often wonder" why Labour voters ignore their parties incompetence through times of hundreds of ££billions plenty, yet come down so hard on the party trying to address those problems, having been handed the largest annual government overspend in Europe.

Hang on- at no point have I said I support Labour!!! I am saying that the Torys current treatment of the poor and most vulnerable is despicable and unjustified. It is one thing to make cuts, it is quite another to behave the way they have.

I object HUGELY to what the Tory party are doing to the poor and vulnerable.
I take your point about 'dirty child crying outside a food bank'.
I am with you 100% on this.

HOWEVER:

As a survivor,
and a Counsellor who has also worked with survivors
I also object to your using the term: 'fucking kids'/
(note I have the courage to type it fully, as I think I might have more understanding of what it really means than you do, or you would have re-phrased your title)

Your poor judgement on this has lost you the moral high ground in the thread and thus lost your chance of converting doubters to your points.

The Tories are behaving caringly and responsibly to ensure a welfare state continues whereas Labour would have spent us into oblivion and ensured the poor had no money!

Dopey- I didn't make the original post, I agree it is in bad taste.

Conservatives are not behaving careingly! the DWP have actively gone out of their way to deny benefits to those that need them! sanctioning competitions?? Refusing to tell claimants about what help is available to them? Forcing disabled people who have lived in homes for years to give them up because of the bedroom tax- even if the bedroom is being used to store medical supplies and no other space is available. Forcing people to pay the bedroom tax even if they have agreed to move to a smaller property, but the council don't actually have any homes available, leading to them to have literally no money for food. I had a case in work recently of a lone parent who had fled domestic violence, who put only £5 on her gas and electric meter the whole of December. She has a five year old daughter and tries her absolute best for her, but she has been treated appallingly by her advisor on the work programme, who sanctioned her for missing a non obligatory appointment because she spent the money for the bus to get to the non obligatory appointment on a birthday present for her daughter, knowing perfectly well the women was already in dire straits and had severe depression and anxiety, leaving us as a charity and the local church to pick up the pieces! It makes me sick to the stomach that anyone could vote for a party who quite frankly have the humanity of a dead fish.

I am well educated person with a private school back ground, and live in a household with a six figure annual income, but yet I still can not fathom how anyone could vote for this party. I understand about the economy, I understand the appeal of some conservative policy's, however, I do not understand how anyone can think this justifies picking on the weak and voiceless.

scarlettsmummy2 …. Re your ” Hang on- at no point have I said I support Labour!!! I am saying that the Torys current treatment of the poor and most vulnerable is despicable and unjustified. It is one thing to make cuts, it is quite another to behave the way they have.”

Your personal attacks are on anyone that voted Conservative, so it matters not WHO you actually support, but it is safe to assume that your interests would have been covered by ANOTHER Labour ran administration with a majority, or in coalition – no matter what their past record, which is either ideological or past policy ignorance.

The accusations on this thread are as if Conservative MP’s in the likes of Rotherham, personally man the Child Services or Welfare departments without BESPOKE solutions to major policies, so as if there is no one intelligent with any discretion in-between and within the local authorities, handling the day-to-day problems.

You and others also appear, for what reasons, to grasp of the enormity of problems Labour left socially and financially, with absolutely NO ATTEMPT by May 2010 to solve them – even though the underlying problems “of the poor and most vulnerable” were no accident - they were as a direct result of Labours policies with huge parliamentary majorities over 13-years to do EXACTLY what they wanted.

The Labour government spending pre economic crash went up well over 50% - so on government departments (including Welfare/Benefits/Tax Credits) and new projects, they were routinely spending around £600 billion a year – but STILL in 2010 left the largest overspend in Europe and an understated note by Chief Treasury Secretary Liam Byrne stating ‘there is no money left’.

UK Housing; Yet when Labour decided by sofa government in 2000 to massively increase our population, where was all this new money to build enough homes for them?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

In social homes the record low build was in 2004 (when unlike other major economies, we decided to have no early restrictions on EU citizens arriving) when we built 130 new social homes – so when accounting for social home sales, the social housing stock shrank on the eve of opening our borders to the EU’s citizens.

UK Unemployed; We found new jobs (and therefore homes) for 3 million new non EU and EU citizens, as our unemployment figures rose e.g. 16-24 year olds over 500,000 unemployed in 2004, over 700,000 before the 2007 crash and nearly 1 million by May 2010.

So while people like you, chose to overlook what people like me would call Labour policy driven poverty for those “poorest and most vulnerable” - and call the attempts to release as many of the several hundred thousand spare bedrooms to those people queuing/forgotten by 13-years of socialism, ‘the bedroom tax’ – I have to wonder if fairness and distribution to those most in need is just some generic mantra of social purity to hide behind.

Virtually every Conservative policy on Welfare/Benefits/Tax Credits is a direct consequence of Labour’s policies on INCREASING those unreformed/unchecked budgets far faster than anywhere else, leaving an annual government overspend far bigger than anywhere else in Europe, AND non-joined-up-thinking immigration and housing policies – none of which was sustainable as was, so we’ll never know how spending cuts BESPOKE to individuals a Labour government, finally doing what it kept threatening to do, would have been.

So as we are in a two main party system, the CHOICE for voters was to vote for those whose RECORD showed didn't give a flying feck about the prospects/life chances of their indigenous poor for 13-years and in opposition looks at the politically opportunist 'small picture' - or the party that always has to come in to power to fix the Labour unsustainable, before the money REALLY ran out. aka Greece.

why Labour voters ignore their parties incompetence through times of hundreds of ££billions plenty, yet come down so hard on the party trying to address those problems, having been handed the largest annual government overspend in Europe.

while I agree with your assessment of labour isitmebut, I hope this isn't a plug for the tories, who are making many of the problems worse.

the biggest thing facing families and people in the SE is housing costs, and tories have done less than crawling insects on coming up with anything to solve it.

Keeping it very simple the average price of a home when the Conservatives left power in 1997 was £73,000 and under Labour's immigration/financial/pee poor build record, by 2008 was £232,000.

They even KNEW there was a problem.

The (2004) Barker review: key points
www.theguardian.com/money/2004/mar/17/business.housing

“Kate Barker, a member of the monetary policy committee, was asked a year ago by Gordon Brown and the deputy prime minister John Prescott to carry out a review of the housing market in the UK.”

”She was specifically required to look at what was behind the lack of supply of housing in the UK and the inability of the housing market to respond to this. Also within her remit was the role of the house-building industry, the level of competition within it, its capacity, technology and level of finance.”

”The final review has now been published, just in time for Gordon Brown's budget.”

“The main findings”

• ^In 2001, around 175,000 houses were built in the UK. This was the lowest number since the second world war. Over the past 10 years, the number of new houses built has fallen and is now 12.5% lower than in the previous decade.”

And what did Labour do about this during a financial boom and secret immigration policy, either by encouraging the private sector or building home with all that new money?

Sod all, so what, you expect the IMMEDIATELY Conservatives to take up all that slack after the crash, with a £153 bil annual overspend?

Typical.

P.S. I think you'll find the Conservatives/coalition built more Council homes in their first £££bust 5-years, than Labour's 13-years of mainly plenty£££.

keep, it has been the Tories not Labour who reduced stamp duty. They have also suggested the new right to buy. The have had help to buy with 5% deposits. They are tax landlords more. They are doing loads to help on these issues whereas Labour did very little.

Labour didn't give a shit about the poor, but wanted to be seen to do enough to win elections - as keeping Conservatives out of power is their prime objective - and nothing I read on these boards shows that rather pathetic main object to be in power, doesn't extend to their supporters.

Socialism had 13-years, 10-years of which had the best economic inheritance, interest rate, inflation, tax receipts, and new debt/spending backdrop to make a REAL DIFFERENCE to society and they blew it.

It really takes a special kind of incompetence to screw the country pooch with those conditions, so what chance would we have when they CAN'T spend for England etc.

Sod all, so what, you expect the IMMEDIATELY Conservatives to take up all that slack after the crash, with a £153 bil annual overspend?

and they have been in power for 5 years now. What's been the house price increase in that time?

keep, it has been the Tories not Labour who reduced stamp duty. They have also suggested the new right to buy. The have had help to buy with 5% deposits. They are tax landlords more. They are doing loads to help on these issues whereas Labour did very little.

They have also reduced inheritance tax specifically on housing being passed to the next generation.

The problem is that EVERYTHING you have listed (save taxing landlords possibly), makes the housing problem worse. That's my point. Everything these so-called saviours of the economy have done is going to make the housing problem worse. They have had 5+ years to do the possibly only thing (and I think the lib dems would have been game) that will make it better, that's build more housing, and they did f* all. Literally nothing. They have been as woeful (worse in fact. The tories have the spur of urgency. The crisis is much worse now) as labour.

P.S. I think you'll find the Conservatives/coalition built more Council homes in their first £££bust 5-years, than Labour's 13-years of mainly plenty£££.

I am by no means a labour supporter, so arguing labour is shit will get my agreement. It's this whole the tories are good that gets me going.

They have done squat in terms of building homes. And unlike many people, I don't think it needs to be council housing. It can be anything, ideally private and public.

keepitsimple0 ... in 2010 we were still suffering from the worst recession in 80-years, businesses were on their knees, especially home building needing the planning and financial log jam to move - and all they saw then under Labour was the prospects of more taxes, and since, threats (as directed to other industries as well) by Miliband when he got back in.

There is no "tories are good 'thang', there is a Tories are shite thing since 1979, but if either party is going to unlock the problems (mentioned below) it will be the Conservatives e.g. at least they can WORK with businesses and believe in lower regs/red tape.

"Why can't the UK build 240,000 homes a year"
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30776306

Yup. According to the article you posted, there are many problems with house building. Are the tories doing ANYTHING to help rather than hurt the problem? What do you say about the long list of measures by reddaisyred that makes the problem worse?