Teenager from Dewsbury becomes Isis suicide bomber

[ItsNotAsPerfectAsItSeems]

I am appalled for this young man, his family and friends and his community. Such a waste of life.

But what I really want to say is how fantastic it is to hear his family issue a statement making clear to others that Isis is not Islam and that these evil bastards are nothing but lawless, murdering criminals. Especially courageous to make that wider point when they are in the midst of grief.

I was also really pleased to hear the guy from the Yorkshire branch of the Muslim council draw clear parallels between Isis and paedophiles. He said it was grooming. It's going on online up and down the country and that teenagers are vulnerable.

I know the MCofB has been criticised on many occasions got being too soft in their condemnation of radicalisation and terror pushers but I think the statements issued today are a shift change and I really hope that some good can come from this tragedy in that young, easily led Muslim teenagers can start to see this bullshit for what it is; terrorist propaganda trying to steal your life.

I have a 17 yr old who sees things in black and white, who gets angry at perceived wrongs. When I was 17 I wanted to join the Animal Liberation Front. You think you're invincible and that you can change the world. That is what is preyed on.

Teal, if your family are from Dewsbury you really don't want to read the Daily Fail top story today then.

But Hell, would you blow yourself up? Behead people? Throw men off a tower?

Chocolate, never!!! None of my 17 yr old me's anger (or DS's) is religion based, I'm an atheist so can't understand doing things in the name of whichever sky fairy they believe in. But I can understand having a (then) passion for something which makes you believe that everyone else is wrong and you need to protect what you stand for. It's very misguided but at 17 you don't realise.

I probably would have died to save beagles getting operated on. Now, I really don't like dogs much and love a rare fillet of beef. Age brings maturity and a wider view of the world. IMO anyway which usually counts for shit!

Safety valve. We had a safety valve at that age - I was in the AVL but the worst I ever did was wear hideous plastic shoes and rattle a collection can.

True, I think my safety valve was knowing my DM would kill me!

Mine too.

I just think that teenagers see everything in extremes. No middle ground, no sensible, mature compromises. They are somehow bring convinced that unless they join Isis then they are bad Muslims living in a country (uk) who seek to destroy their beliefs. They may feel a bit out of their depth at secondary school or a bit invisible and these idiots are telling them how revered they will be if they join up. How much respect they will command etc. It's all bullshit of course but propaganda I'd incredibly powerful and teenagers are particularly susceptible.

And I shouldn't have to keep stating that, of course my sympathy lies with the bereaved families. I did say his crimes were heinous. But that doesn't change the fact that like it of not, he was British. Legally, still a child. And we do need to address this issue that's right under our noses.

chocolateyay, too true.

DH's family are from the ME with one branch that are Syrian. Their view on these teen jihadis is that they are nothing more than demons that are murdering and torturing Arabs and stealing Arab land and resources.

And they are. These are Brits who are going to other countries one to which they have no connection, where they cannot speak the language, where they have no claim, where they do not understand the culture or customs and are slaughtering the locals indiscriminately, stealing their property and torturing women.

No matter how passionate a teenager may be about an issue, you have to be psychotic to fight for a movement that drops people from buildings, sexually enslaves women and cuts people's heads off and sticks them on spikes round town. Consider that research has shown that 95 percent of all soldiers in WWI couldn't even fire their gun at the enemy. These teens aren't "brainwashed"; they are fucking racist, anti-Arab, anti-Kurd, violent psychopaths that want to ethnically cleanse and oppress huge swathes of Syria and Iraq of the Arab and minority locals so they can live there in a private society run on the backs of slaves and acute violence.

You are aware that Isis is largely a foreign fighter movement? Many holding European passports? With Chechen commanders? They aint locals. They aint "rebels". In fact, they are slaughtering anti-Assad Syrian rebels.

One of these British jihadis has been exposed as an executioner for ISIS. Think about that for a minute. Someone from this country has gone to another country and videoes himself cutting people's heads off or setting them on fire when they are alive.

Wake the fuck up, for God's sake, op.

Stop making excuses for these people. And stop making excuses for their families. "Midst of grief", ffs. "Fantastic". "Courageous". Have you lost your mind? Their son blew himself up and killed eleven Arabs and injured 22. You are so deluded here, I don't really know what to say.

You'd soon have a different perspective if a young Iraqi lad went to Dewsbury and blew up an electricity sub-station taking out eleven Brits and injuring 22 at the same time. But, at least, that lad would now have had reasonable provocation, unlike Talha Asmal.

And to add ...

OP, do you really want to live in a country where some people are so anti-Arab and anti-Kurd that they will make excuses absolving their children when their children go and murder and torture those people in their own lands?

Because people like you seem to think those excuses are marvellous and just what the doctor ordered.

They are violent racist thugs.

They want to steal land and resources, enslave the 'lesser beings' and generally lord it up over everyone they encounter. Disagree with them and they will kill you. Not one of them and they will enslave you. A woman and they will rape you. They want these women and children as basic sex slaves (women and girls) and the boys as cannon fodder. I hope that those 3 sisters have not delivered their kids into the hands of these maniacs.

They don't want to live under this so-called heaven on earth, they want to run this hell on earth. There are a hell of a lot more muslim killed by their 'bruvvah mooslims' than any other race/religion/country. 'Real' muslims see them as backward thugs.

How can anyone see the images from the Turkish border - of the desperately children clinging onto barbed wire as thousands flee these idiots, or the bodies of people risking everything to escape them washing onto Italian shores and think 'hey ho, looks like everyone is having a grand old time under muslim law...'

Worksallhours. What a brilliant post.

I can't even bring myself to muster any sympathy for the murderer's family, only to the family and friends and countrymen of those he killed.

The women with their kids seem to have a Pakistani background, and one of the dads is currently living in Pakistan. Their brother had run off to join ISIS (must be a lovely family). So why Syria, why not move to the muslim heaven that is Pakistan?

because they want to be the Alpha muslims - those in charge. Those with the power and the rules. And we all know how well violent revolution works out don't we, and those in power never ever get corrupter and end up living the life of riley whilst their 'subjects' starve on the streets before stringing the buggers up from the nearest lamppost. But then they despise history, don't they?

I know the MCofB has been criticised on many occasions got being too soft in their condemnation of radicalisation and terror pushers but I think the statements issued today

What statements? There's nothing on their website.