£24m Scientology Church opens in City of London.

[Blu]

Were you there, Martianbishop and Intergalacticwalrus?

here

Does anyone raise an eyebrow at the fact that the Chief superintendent of Police, the fourth most powerful policeman in London, is a member?

That the dessert took two weeks to prepare?? (shall we ask for the recipe?).

if DC said that about other religeons i wonder whether it would be allowed to stand quite frankly. the mans disgusting.

Its probably best just to let him have a bit of a rant about it if it makes him feel better...

How dare people mock such a sane and rational religio!. What could possibly be wrong with having a theology based on wonderful people like me and Intergalactic warlrus!

MB -sorry was responding to DC's conspiracy theory about chuch organised rapes.

Obviously I think the Scientologists should be given every support. In fact I think they should be encouraged to open their own state funded schools.

i think DCs assertions are so disgusting and insulting to not only catholacism but christianity that i have reported them.

he obviously doesn't trouble himself detail, illustration of point or arguments to back up the assertion that all large christian goups systematically organise the rap e of children and that all catholic priests rape children.

i would like some hard evidence to support the claims that all large chirstian authority fugures abuse children. and that all priests rape children. as a practising catholic i find the phrasing and wording of DCs text abhorrent.

Irrespective of what one believes, it is interesting how comfortably some on here have derided this religion without fear of reprisals. I don't think Scientologists will be marching in the streets, burning flags and issuing death threats if a public figure had made some of the comments on here. That said, if I knew someone who followed this religion, I would make the effort to understand their beliefs but would still feel comfortable in expressing my personal disquiet about the religion without being offensive to them.

I'm agree with you Custy. DC I'm afraid that this time you are well out of order.

Speedymama - what do you mean? Christianity, Islam, wicca have all been derided on this site in the last week, all without fear of reprisals! You have plenty to say about Muslims, apparantly withour fear of reprisal!

I would hesitate to call scientology a religion though- it is just a scam to get people to cough up money in return for the "wisdom" that is imparted. You cannot do scientology without payment, whereas it is easy to pick up a copy of the bible for nothing and learn from it. OK, so some stewardship schemes do involve the regular donation of a tithe, but it is always voluntary.

would like to say as well that i agree with Custy et al. DC ha overstepped the mark this time.

at least aloha wasn't offensive in her atheism !

atheism per se isn't offensive. discussions arn't offensive - DCs comments were unfounded and offensive and not part of a discussion.

just another chance for his unpleasentness rather than discussion.
he is disgusting

why do Catholics pretend that their priests don't rape children ?

the inference being all. Please trouble yourself to read your own posts.

as for your last post. your plainly disturbed

I honestly think you need professional help, Domini, if you are in fact for real.

Please don't pay attention to DC, it only encourages him.

Scientology is an alarming money-spinner. You cannot join the religion without paying for it.

And yes, it was more or less made up on a bet - at a convention, L Ron apparently said something about the real money being in making up a religion, and ... ta-da! He did.

DC I too will report you and I think it is very two-faced of Mumsnet to ban Aloha's post knocking Mohammed but they take no notice of someone calling priests paedophiles. I think the only difference is that we will not declare a holy war!

DC, in the faith of my Christainity, I forgive you for your ignorant comments and wish you a happy life!

Just so that things stay accurate: afaik, Aloha wasn't banned for her views on Mohammed. Some of her posts were deleted because they contained direct insults to another poster. Aloha then left because the other poster had accused her of racism, and by there being deleted posts left on the thread, it could have been surmised by someone looking at the thread that Aloha's posts had been racist.

afaik, MN have always chosen not to delete opinions (such as dc's) on the grounds that people can use thier own informed voice to give the alternative view - or facts.

For e.g I think priests knowingly helping paedophiles is outrageously over-exaggerated, as is the word 'most'. A FEW senior clergy have rightly achnowledged and admitted that their management of the MINORITY of abusive clergy, at the time, was not as it should have been.

Ok, she was not banned but had her posts removed because she offended the Islam religion, however posts calling her a racist were allowed to stay.

DC has also said that Custy is a defender of rapists.

You might as well just say that most men are paedophiles, isn't that the case? No matter what religion or job, there isn't anyplace that is entirely safe from them.

Actually people may say what they like about the catholic church, it's not my place to defend them. The church doesn't give me my faith. It has many failings like any other organisation and I have many criticisms of it. I do find it a little ignorant though to make sweeping statements about one particular set of people. I presume that because I am a catholic DC would say that I am a rape defender too? But hey, it's a free country right? He can insult who he wants right? It says more about him that it does about anyone else. Like I said though, I forgive him in advance of any insults he may make "he knoweth not what he says"

I'd like to know where Cormack Murphy O'Connor used the terminology that he "helped" rapists.

I very much doubt he sees it in those terms.

No one reasonable defends the catholic church's handling of the paedophile priest scandal; it was a disgrace. But the church on the whole now acknowleges that. Which doesn't make it all right, but no-one in the catholic church claims it makes it all right.

mn posts are renowned for sweeping generalistions.

good post Blu.

No-o-o-o Rhubarb, I want to be quite specific on this. she DID NOT "her posts removed because she offended the Islam religion". She had her posts removed because she used insults ('twat', I think) to a poster who was not, iirr, even a muslim. "however posts calling her a racist were allowed to stay." - yes, and that is why, on a point of principle, she left.

Sorry if this seems pedantic, but in a climate of 'they' are allowee to say this but 'we' are not etc etc I think it is quite important that MNHQ are not accused of inconsistency in treating all parties alike. And this is my memory of it, so i may be worng...but i remember the 'cartoon' she did - the angry face icon, stayed...

I think they were of the Muslim faith Blu, hence them calling her a racist. I'm not so sure the angry face stayed either.

But that is beside the point as you have stated (you are quite right, this should not be a battle of "them" and "us") but a personal insult has been hurled at Custy, she has been accused of being a rapist defender by a man. On her behalf I find that actually quite disgusting and appauling! But I'm sure she'll forgive him as he is obviously a mindless twonk!

Ouragedofmatalan, here is a link to an official Catholic site, which details some of O'Connor's criminal activities.

Apparently he never considered resigning, let alone turning himself in to the policer.

So, you're right he doesn't see himself as an accomplice, but he does admit doing things to help them which are major crimes.

I do also like the bit about admitting to being "naive". That's like the classic "don't know how those drugs got in my pocket guvnor..."

If this were a complex fraud, or where tyhe law was ambiguous, or even where the age of a person having sex was unclear, then "naivety" would hold water.
Cardinal O'Connor can't even claim stupidity, since apparently he has quite an education.

Surely even a Catholic priest knows that raping 6 year olds is both illegal and wrong ?

Oooh, do the Catholics sneak up on you and make your links disappear, too?