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British Muslims picket Downing Street in protest of Charlie Hebdo cartoons

234 replies

MrsTawdry · 08/02/2015 21:45

So the Daily Mail report it as "thousands" whilst the Telegraph say "at least a thousand"

Can't find ANY other sources for it. How is this ok? Free speech yes...but...

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waitingowaiting · 09/02/2015 10:14

I suppose they don't view IS as actual muslims, but the cartoons as something that targets them.

The coverage in Jordan of their attitudes to IS is pretty heartbreaking, and demonstrates how IS is to Islam what I am to nuclear physics.

SconeEater · 09/02/2015 10:21

Well IS/Daesh are pretty certain their views are gonna win the nobel prize in heaven!

waitingowaiting · 09/02/2015 10:38

Boy, are they in for a surprise. When I see the footage of these filthy creatures laughing about buying slaves from the market (for sex) it my stomach turns.

Where in there tiny twisted minds does this sound OK? Rape, paedophilia, murder, torture... Religion, really? God says its OK?

JohnFarleysRuskin · 09/02/2015 10:43

I don't agree with the subject matter but I think - good for them.

I think it sends a very anti-terrorist message in itself. It says: when we don't agree with something we march peacefully.

This is as it should be.

Aussiemum78 · 09/02/2015 10:55

The way I understand it, depicting the prophet in any form, is the equivalent to bandying about a swatstika or a white clan hood. It's deeply offensive and even though I'm not Muslim I would still abide by this "rule".

I don't see why the pp's should be protesting Isis instead. If they are English, why wouldn't they protest something in England?

Peaceful protest and discussion is a good thing, the world could do with a lot more of it.

BigRedBall · 09/02/2015 11:01

It seems Muslims can't do right anything right. Even peacefully marching is frowned upon. Also I bought the Jews into it because it's against the law to make anti semetic remarks, yet people can ridicule islam and Muslims and it's free speech. I find that incredibly two faced. All religions should be respected.

HappyGoLuckyGirl · 09/02/2015 11:03

I think it speaks volumes that so many Muslims turned out to protest against non-muslims desecrating their religion by drawing some cartoons, when absolutely ZERO Muslims protested against other muslims desecrating their religion by beheading, setting fire to and bulldozing people to death.

Yeah. Seems like they've got their priorities in order. More important to speak out about how white people offend their religion than it is to speak out about their own muslim brothers slaughtering people.

Fucking peaceful religion my arse.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 09/02/2015 11:07

Anti-semitism is against the law.

People abusing other groups also comes under various laws - eg. racial hatred.

Drawing cartoons about Mohamed, Jesus, God, Israelis or the Taliban doesn't come under the British law.

So I don't get where you're getting the 'two faced' thing come from unless you don't understand that there are different laws for different issues.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 09/02/2015 11:10

Why should we tell people what they should and shouldn't protest though?

I have lots of anti-page three stuff on my facebook, and I get told many times I should protest something more important. I find that incredibly annoying.

SconeEater · 09/02/2015 11:10

I think ridiculing any religion is allowed in law BigRedBall. The blasphemy law was repealed in English law, praise be! Wink

SconeEater · 09/02/2015 11:11

Going for a march and handing in a petition is not a bad thing in my book.

ReallyTired · 09/02/2015 11:13

British Muslims are no more responsible for atrocities committed by ISIS any more than British Christians are responsible for the behaviour of Ian Bradey and Myra Hindley.

People moan about first world problems all the time. Maybe we see the dislike of Charlie Hebdo cartoons as trivial, but it's not trival to the protestors. People have protested in the past about page 3 in the sun and no one has minded.

The right to protest about something you don't like is part of British values.

keepitsimple0 · 09/02/2015 11:16

Also I bought the Jews into it because it's against the law to make anti semetic remarks, yet people can ridicule islam and Muslims and it's free speech.

anti-semitism is something against the jewish people. you should be free to denigrate judaism as much as you want. same distinction between ridiculing islam and muslims. one is an ideology/religion and one is a group of people.

Bazoo23 · 09/02/2015 11:22

Reallytired murdering the journalists was 'unnacceptable?' no my two year old throwing her juice is unnacceptable what a pathetic word. Evil horrific scumbags maybe?
I wonder what would happen if a thousand brits went to protest in a Muslim country against the countless murders committed in the name of Islam?
Britain is not and never will be a muslim country they need to pipe down.

OnlyLovers · 09/02/2015 11:25

I really don't know how I feel about this.

On the one hand I can't denigrate the right to freedom of expression and I agree with and support the right to peaceful protest. On the other, I don't quite know what the protest is intended to achieve, and I'm not sure it doesn't make perfectly ordinary, moderate Muslim people look more militant than I feel comfortable with.

Totally happy to be torn apart by MN on this as I'm still sorting out my feelings about it and am largely thinking/rambling out loud at the moment.

keepitsimple0 · 09/02/2015 11:28

Britain is not and never will be a muslim country they need to pipe down.

I absolutely in every way don't want britain to be a muslim country. However, they have every right to peacefully protest. I disagree with what they want, but they can ask.

OnlyLovers · 09/02/2015 11:31

I'm uneasy with the reported message of the protest 'Be careful with Muhammad'.

I wouldn't like it if Christians or Jews marched with the message 'Be careful with God' either; I think in a civilised multi-faith society no one should have to be 'careful' with any deity.

Bazoo23 · 09/02/2015 11:34

Be careful with mohammed loosely translates as dont say anything we dont like about religion or you will be murdered.

OnlyLovers · 09/02/2015 11:35

Well, I think that's at best harsh, Bazoo, and at worst inflammatory, but I definitely don't see why anyone should have to 'be careful' with anyone else's god.

SconeEater · 09/02/2015 11:36

I wish Pakistan would repeal it's blasphemy laws.

Bazoo23 · 09/02/2015 11:37

I doubt the murdered journalists would agree that its harsh its what happened.

ReallyTired · 09/02/2015 11:39

"Britain is not and never will be a muslim country they need to pipe down."

So what you are saying is that the only people who should be allowed free speech are those who you agree wtih.

The number of practicing muslims is rising rapidly in the UK and church attendence in the church of england is falling. We cannot claim to be a christian country when only 10% of the adult population attends church at least once a month.

A democracy allows all its citizens to have a voice. It does not shut up those who message they don't like.

OnlyLovers · 09/02/2015 11:41

A democracy allows all its citizens to have a voice. It does not shut up those who message they don't like.

The problem there, Tired, is that saying things like 'Be careful with Muhammad' sounds very much like trying to shut people up.

Bazoo, no, I'm sure they wouldn't, but I think to say that about a whole religious group is massively simplifying things.

Bazoo23 · 09/02/2015 11:42

The muslim faith does not allow free speech! Dont kid yourself the protest was intended to spark something and I hope to god no radical action is due on our streets.
I didnt say we are a Christian country but look at how ISIS are running Syria and tell me thats what you want?

DioneTheDiabolist · 09/02/2015 11:47

Wow.Shock

My parents attended civil rights protests in the 60s and 70s. At the same time terrorist groups bombed and killed people. It didn't mean that my parents supported terrorism. I'm Shock at the freedom of speech but comment.

Freedom of speech but... what? Only if I agree with you? Freedom to protest but only if I agree with your protest? And if I don't agree with your protest you must be a terrorist sympathizer/apologist?