Prince Andrew

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Oh dear.

I thought there was one 'encounter' in Florida when she was 17

No, the allegations do not include an encounter in Florida. That is simply where the legal case has been filed.

The woman concerned has alleged encounters when she was 17 in London (age of consent 16) and New York (age of consent 17). She has also alleged an encounter when she was 18 on a private island in the US Virgin Islands (age of consent 18). So by the woman's own evidence Prince Andrew did not have sex with her when she was underage.

Isitmebut she seems to be very unlucky flying all around the world trying to escape abuse, and keeps bumping into him.

London - when she was 17
New York - when she was 17
Virgin Island - when she was 18

So she was not underage for those encounters - that's alight then.

Nothing for him to be concerned about then - he can focus on his work.

I am no supporter of Prince Andrew, but this whole thing is a spectacularly shit way to try and get to the truth of allegations of sexual exploitation.

I think what Epstein was really up to and which of his many friends and hangers-on were involved in it is something we do need to know. That plea-bargain was bloody unfortunate.

Has money changed hands at all, as I can think of healthier places for 17-18 year old girls to be than hitched to some rich (alleged) dirty old American sod traveling the world.

Maybe it was a case of;

'Of all the old players, in all the towns in the world, he has to know mine’

Correct me if I'm wrong, but her main problem is with her old 'beau', not Andrew, and he has been brought into it as not getting anywhere with him.

Has she ever said Andrew was traveling to meet her, or the American 'prince' she was hitched to?

This don't see to add up, but if there were no legal reasons why horizontal folk dancing with this young lady shouldn't have happened, it is his word against hers.

And whether in London, New York, or an island of virgins, unless she can prove that she was held down/raped, or have witnesses to say she was distressed after the visit of Andrew, the 'accused' should be given the benefit of the doubt. IMO.

And yes I DO watch Law & Order; Special Victims Unit.

'And whether in London, New York, or an island of virgins, unless she can prove that she was held down/raped, or have witnesses to say she was distressed after the visit of Andrew, the 'accused' should be given the benefit of the doubt. IMO.'

Disagree.

And it is not about whether or not Andrew did something illegal - it's about ethics. It is very probable that he is a self-serving, unethical, entitled
royal nincompoop (4th in line to the throne), and the British public have a right to be concerned.

Concerned that a girl is happy flying around the world with rich old men calling her 'their niece', no doubt. Hmmm.

Never mind the Virgin Islands, should we put a (female) 3-mile exclusion zone around him like the Falklands?

Isitmebut. I think you should stick to debating politics and your love of the 'facts'!

I think it's highly probably that the girl/woman was vulnerable and groomed from an early age by a powerful older man/men who exploited her, and who should have known better. The duty of care and responsibility issues lie with the powerful men she flew around the world with.

Re "highly probable", do we actually KNOW anything about the girl, whether groomed, or at the other end of the spectrum, a young sex worker?

A young girl has to kiss all sorts of toads before meeting their prince, and while if I had to chose between having sex with him or a bit of D.I.Y, I'd chose the latter - did this girl want to take a short cut to finding HER Prince and getting a tiara thrown in?

She would have seen the royal weddings etc, how many scores does Andy have on the bedposts through women closing their eyes whilst looking past the frog kissing stage?

Here's a fact - 'The documents claim Epstein groomed “dozens” of children by inviting them to his Florida mansion to give him a massage which “turned into a sexual encounter”.

A definition of grooming - 'Grooming is when someone builds an emotional connection with a child to gain their trust for the purposes of sexual abuse or exploitation.'

In the court documents, Roberts states that she was invited to Epstein's Florida mansion as a 15-year-old before becoming his “sex slave” from 1999 to 2002.

So the alleged 'dirt-bag' (Law & Order term lol) is Epstein, not Air-Miles.

But is there proof of "dozens" of girls for some reason accepting the invitation to give a wrinkly old fart a massage, or just her word? And is that grooming or a statement of intent?

I think there's proof - if proof is what you want. Epstein is a convicted paedophile isn't he.

Andrews involvement with him and Roberts is more nebulous. Andrew's code of ethics is also nebulous but dubious.

This Gawker article has background on the case.

There is no doubt what Epstein is, but from what I’m seeing, Epstein seems like the somewhat older ‘Hef’ in the Playboy Mansion, with slightly older women (by 6-months), being held with the same level of sexual slave ‘force’.

There seems this strange dynamic with Epstein’s ex lover and the social middlewoman to the rich and famous, Ghislaine Maxwell, beloved daughter of the late and infamous Robert Maxwell, an ex proprietor of the Daily Mirror – with the ‘did he fall or was he pushed’ off his yacht ‘Ghislaine’ in the middle of the night, I remember it well.

My point being that far from being lured off the streets with promises of candy lollypops, these girls speaking out due to a legal technical lapse in not contacting them before Epstein was tried, SAY they were “recruited”, mostly by Ghislaine, one poached from a Beauty Spa and pocketing $200 for every rub down with a wet F.T.

What caught my eye is the main ‘sex slave’ accuser of Andrew, which I believe is Virginia Roberts now in Australia, was in the middle of writing a book about Epstein - and I can’t think of a better way to sell a book in the U.S., the UK and its Commonwealth, than a kiss and tell by including the Member, of a member, of the royal family.

Is Andrew a bad judge of character, with a lack of common sense of who he hangs with, yes.

Did Epstein has sex with underaged girls, yes.

Did Andrew have legal sex with his accusser, possibly.

Has he been told off by his mummy, absolutely.

Was Ms Roberts a sex slave, with or without a means of escape, I very much doubt it.