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bubble99 · 11/10/2006 20:43

I heard a representative from PETA this morning on 'Farming Today' on R4 (yes, I get up at stupid o'clock with DS3)....saying this. I can't do links, but if you Google 'PETA meat child abuse' it will show up.

Valid points about additives, hormones etc used in intensive farming. But this is outrageous scaremongering, IMO. And to link something as awful as child abuse to dietary choices is just wrong.

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LieselVonTrappDoor · 16/10/2006 09:03

Im all for animal rights but I have to say the animal rights activists I have met have no regard for human rights.

HRHQueenOfQuotes · 16/10/2006 09:09

The 'ready' meals such a pizzas (and I NEVER buy value ones) and breaded stuff with chips is for the times when I've got up at 8am on one Morning, gone to bed 10am the following morning, had about 6 (or less) hours of sleep and then have to cook dinner.......before going out to work again......and not getting to bed until 8am the next morning.

I'm afraid our family set-up doesn't give me all afternoon to be cooking pulses (having soaked them all night the night before) and chopping hundreds of vegetables (well not literally but obviously you know what I mean - dried pulses (as opposed to tinned ones do take a LOT longer to cook LOL) every single day. Much easier to stick an extra large chicken in the oven - leave it to get on with it, chop some broccoli and carrots and shove a few roast potatoes in the oven with the roast. And I can honestly say it doesn't cost me any different from my veggie bakes etc, than the majority of my 'meat' dishes.

DH will typicall eat a large bowl of fruit and fibre, a banana (or apple), and occasionaly toast for breakfast. Lunch he'll either cook a big omelette for himself, make himself a huge sandiwch (cheese, ham, coleslaw, lettuce, tomato, cucumber etc etc etc etc) or if I've got some spare sausages/bacon around have a 'mini' fry-up. And some more fruit, and a few glasses of fruit juice.

Then he'll have another big sandwich around 6pm,often with a banana, packet of crisps - anything that he can eat easily out of a packet/sandwich bag.

Then he'll come home and have dinner about 10pm - then he'll usually have another 'snack' - yoghurt, fruit juice and sometimes to keep his sweet tooth happy some icecream.

Veggie meals are allowed 2/3 times a week - maximum - and that's him being generous - he grew up on meat everyday! Even the DS's (who are too young to really grasps the 'pulses/meat' differences eat more of the pulse meals.

HRHQueenOfQuotes · 16/10/2006 09:14

Anyhow - I'm not being rude - was at work last night - and am off to bed soon (hopefully LOL). Off out for a girls night out tonight (42 of us from church going to take over a pub restaraunt LOL) then it's my lie-in in the morning - so may not be around again much until tomorrow pm!

TooTickyTheAppleBobber · 16/10/2006 10:36

QoQ, maybe you're not including enough fats in your veggie meals (good fat obviously!).
LVTD, depends what you mean by human rights. If you mean the right to treat animals badly, then that is not acceptable, although it happens all the time. Also, humans do not have the right to unlimited supplies of meat, or to test their cosmetics, household products or even medicines on animals, but it still happens. People take advantage of animals every day and somebody hasto speak up for them. HOWEVER, the use of violence, bombs, threats to peoples' families and digging up their relatives is WRONG and the majority of animal rights people do not condone this.

Mirage · 17/10/2006 09:08

Haven't read all of the thread,but good for you lilymolly,for telling the truth about farming.I come from a farming family,there are 12 farms within a mile of us & I have NEVER heard of male calves being shot.EVER!

As for the argument that farmers have loads of land & can do something else with it-have you not heard of conservation,planning ect?You most emphatically cannot do what you like with it.

Livestock farming has made the countryside a beautiful place,hedgerows are only there to stop stock straying.In a lot of our fields,you can see clear evidence of medieval strip farming & this is because,over 100's of years,livestock have been grazed on it & it has never been ploughed for arable production.

Remember what the countryside looked like during foot & mouth-acres of fields without an animal in sight?Well if PETA had their way,it would always look like that.

TooTickyTheAppleBobber · 17/10/2006 11:09

Mirage, maybe your family and neighbours do not shoot male calves but it DOES happen. Even Lilymolly found this to be true.
Also, I wasn't for a moment suggesting that farmers build on their land.
I have already said that I have every admiration for farmers who do GENUINELY care about their animals and treat them well.
Perhaps if people had stuck to traditional farming methods and the animals were still respected there would be less people thoroughly disgusted with animal-related farming.

Mirage · 17/10/2006 15:09

Fair point Tooticky.This is all a bit close to home at the minute as my dad told me that we only have 3 cows left now,out of a herd of 70 & once the calves are weaned,those 3 will go too.

Our family have had cows for about 7 generations & I find it sad that my girls won't grow up with them like I did.

lilymolly · 17/10/2006 15:12

Mirage, thanks for your comments! Why dont you get some of your own? or is this impractical?

TooTickyTheAppleBobber · 17/10/2006 16:00

Mirage, it is sad when traditions come to an end, particularly when they involve your family.

Mirage · 17/10/2006 16:59

Thankyou Tooticky.

Lilymolly,we'd love a smallholding,but just can't afford the prices around here.I am in the process of putting up a polytunnel on the farm to grow organic veg,so will see how beef/milk prices are once that is done.Also,the farm is owned by my mum & dad & uncle & aunt,so I have to tread carefully when it comes to making suggestions like that.They are a bit stick in the mud.

How are beef prices ect at the minute?My uncle does all the buying & selling,so I am a bit out of touch.I know cattle are hard work when they are properly looked after & with running my own business,the polytunnel, renovating the house & looking after 2 under 3's I don't think I'd be able to care for them properly.Perhaps when the girls are at school.

Whereabouts do you farm? Is it arable & livestock?It's good to know that thyere are other famers on here.

lilymolly · 17/10/2006 21:27

Oh we are not a farm , we have 5 acres near Durham, mainly for 2 horses. We only ever have 2 calves, as looking after dd and 2 horses plus a labrador is hard enough!!
We pay about £70 each for a calf, and then we get silage and barley cheap off farmer in exchange for dp helping out on farm, so it works out quite cheap for us to fatten them up so to speak. Where are you?

Mirage · 17/10/2006 22:32

We are in Leicestershire.

You must be up at the crack of dawn with the horses,never mind calves as well.It sounds like you are getting a good deal with regards to fodder for them though.

I spoke to dh tonight about getting some beast in & he said that he is quite happy to get up early every morning to see to them before going to work,but I am dubious.He has no experience of looking after livestock-he's never had a pet other than a tortoise,so I just know it would all fall to me to deal with.

If we did get some,it would just be for the freezer.From my experience,home reared meat is totally different to supermarket beef.I'm just a bit worried about getting involved in farming the way things are.My cousin & her partner work on 3 different farms between them & still earn less than minimum wage.

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