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bubble99 · 11/10/2006 20:43

I heard a representative from PETA this morning on 'Farming Today' on R4 (yes, I get up at stupid o'clock with DS3)....saying this. I can't do links, but if you Google 'PETA meat child abuse' it will show up.

Valid points about additives, hormones etc used in intensive farming. But this is outrageous scaremongering, IMO. And to link something as awful as child abuse to dietary choices is just wrong.

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bubble99 · 13/10/2006 20:25

See. You're into emotive territory there. Just up PETA's street.

Interestingly, PETA didn't seem to take issue recently with goat's milk. Surely the 'lactating for another species' line is the same for goats?

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Monkeytrousers · 13/10/2006 20:26

I'm a veggie and even I think PETA are loonies.

MeAndMyBoy · 13/10/2006 20:28

There were on Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 a couple of days ago as well making the same claims. all they are doing is making themselves look and sound ridiculous!

TooTickyTheAppleMuncher · 13/10/2006 20:29

Ah, but it happens. And yes, it is the same for goats/sheep/yaks...
And I'm not being deliberately emotive - this is how I see it. i can't separate what happens from the end product.

Blandmum · 13/10/2006 20:33

Tivky, I wouldn't want to be shot in the head and eaten, either. Or for that matter chomped and eaten just as I was about to produce some nice seeds!

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bubble99 · 13/10/2006 20:33

TooTicky. At least you're honest enough to give the reasons why you don't agree with meat/milk production. And you've conceded that, while humane rearing is the lesser of two evils, you still don't feel comfortable with it.

PETA haven't. They are throwing words like 'cancer' and 'child abuse' around.

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bubble99 · 13/10/2006 20:34

And I keep having to look at the gurning face of Heather Mills Macca.

Sorry, Monkeytrousers.

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bubble99 · 13/10/2006 20:34

And I keep having to look at the gurning face of Heather Mills Macca.

Sorry, Monkeytrousers.

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bubble99 · 13/10/2006 20:35

See. I even posted twice to get her away from me.

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TooTickyTheAppleMuncher · 13/10/2006 20:35

Cancer, possibly. Child abuse, no. People abuse by the government for allowing food to be produced in thisway, yes. You already know my views on animal abuse.

southeastastralplain · 13/10/2006 20:38

well if anything it's made me look at their website. it's shock tactics that's worked, to get people to think about it.

Monkeytrousers · 13/10/2006 22:26

Bubble, I know you cannot help yourself where HM is concerened. I understand now..

lilymolly · 14/10/2006 13:17

Just wanted to clarify the commment about dairy calves getting shot.

We bought 2 calfes last year aged just a few weeks which where weaned off dairy cows, I bucket fed the milk for a few months, they lived out in 5 acres of grass during the day, came into a freshly mucked out stable everynight where they where fed fresh silage, corn and had water. They then lived in our field all summer until last week when they have moved to our neighbouring farm where they will be kept in a huge barn with other cattle through the winter, they will then have another summer on our grass, then bulled and we will then sell them with their calves in 2008 for a huge profit. We do it for the money, the pleasure of looking after them, and I think they have been extremely well looked after. We could decide to have them slaughtered and have them in our freezer, but we have decided that they will be more profitable to be sold with calves. It will then be up to the buyer whether they go into the food chain. But I have no qualms about that because I have provided a wonderful couple of yaers for them. I know loads of farmers who do exactly the same with suckler calves, and are bought for around £100 quid each so I doubt very much wethee they are shot, as they are worth too much to the farmer

TooTickyTheAppleBobber · 14/10/2006 13:18

Not everybody is like you. The male calves are often shot.

lilymolly · 14/10/2006 13:26

can you provide evidence of this, I live in a rural area and have never heard of this, that said there are no dairy farms near us, but I will ask our local farmer when I next see him if this is true. But I would be interested in seeing evidence in the mean time.

TooTickyTheAppleBobber · 14/10/2006 13:31

Really? Well, the farm down the roadfrom usdoes it. Apparently he shuts his eyes while he does it so hedoesn't have to see it happening. It's not profitable to keep the male calves, itseems, unless they are undernourished for veal.

TooTickyTheAppleBobber · 14/10/2006 13:33

there is some info here

lilymolly · 14/10/2006 13:57

Thanks, interesting read! bit far fetched thought dont you think??
I will ask the local farmers when I next see them about this.
To me even if it was a bull calve, raising it off its mother and making money off it as meat I would have thought was very profitable, they sell for about £500 per cow at mart.

mum2monkeys · 14/10/2006 14:02

So when we all stop eating farmed meat, what do we do with all the excess animals, stock our freezers, or just let them 'free' so they can roam the lands? Intensive farming methods of today are more than a little suspect, but should meat just be something for the wealthy? Think the number of hormones in food is shocking, but then also think the number of chemicals used in veg production is pretty frightening - isn't this what gov legislation is for?

I have a friend in SA who grows 'organic' tomatoes, there are still a huge number of pesticides etc that he is allowed to use and still sell as 'organic', he says the same was true of chickens.

But lets face it the population of mainland europe is huge, and it just isn't viable for everyone to go back to small holdings/growing there own?

It's scare mongering, and is totally unfair on those in situations where they have limited resources

mum2monkeys · 14/10/2006 14:19

Also wanted to add lived next door to a dairy farm for most of my childhood, male calves were kept for a year and sold on, every few years one lucky fella would be kept to run with the herd and 'catch' any cows that had been missed by the AI man. NO shooting of any kind went on then or does now, think dairy farming is hard enough without this kind of sensationalist bull shit

TooTickyTheAppleBobber · 14/10/2006 14:25

If people stop farming animals (which, let's face it, isn't actually going to happen) then they won't be being intensively bred, so there won't be loads wandering around, will there?
And the shooting of calves does go on. Maybe not by all farmers, but it does happen.

mum2monkeys · 14/10/2006 14:39

And what do the people who have been farming animals for generations do? As has been said before we are omnivores meat is part of our diet. I agree intensive farm is pretty abomnible(SP?) but why should meat become a luxury? Stopping eating meat is a ridiculous notion for the majority, and certainly isn't the answer to animal welfare, stricter guidelines that are properly enforced would help, but also extremely difficult without subsidies.
And my point (admittedly a rather sarcastic one) was what happens to the animals when the farmers 'stop' farming? They keep them til they die of old age? Or just send them all to the chop shop there and then?

TooTickyTheAppleBobber · 14/10/2006 14:56

Millions get sent to the chop every day. This doesn't bother most people.

TooTickyTheAppleBobber · 14/10/2006 15:01

People can change job, you know! And farmers already have the advantage of owning land which can be used in many ways. But, like I said earlier, it's not actually going to happen, is it?

FrannyandZooey · 14/10/2006 15:02

Tooticky you have held your own on this thread very calmly in the face of a lot of opposition

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