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FollowTheStarship · 08/12/2014 12:21

I couldn't believe it when he said yesterday he was late for a UKIP event – standing up dozens of supporters who had paid £25 for tickets to see him Hmm – because immigration was to blame for heavy traffic on the M4.

On top of the breastfeeding fandango, does anyone else think he is taking the piss? It's like he has started to notice that however outrageously reactionary and nonsensical he is, he just gets more support so he's just seeing how far he can push it?

Then one day he will just say "Actually I was just having you on heh heh! You all went for it! I'm actually a comedian."

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Lweji · 09/12/2014 18:02

And now there are complaints of harassment too. Sad

claig · 09/12/2014 18:14

' It has as much to do with immigrants as the football results.'

Exactly, which means it can't have been serious and therefore was probably said in order to wind up the liberal media and the establishment, draw out the politically correct Tories and their retinue of spinners who would condemn Farage, which would only mean that Kippers and many voters would feel that the establishment were up to their usual tricks of disrespecting them again, meaning that Farage would get even more votes.

'Weren't they complaining a while ago that people kept making jokes about them and it was unfair? There comes a point when you have to stop giving people material. '

I disagree because nothing harms UKIP. The Guardian readers and modernisers in the Tory Party will never vote UKIP anyway, but millions and millions of people are not politically correct like the Tory modernisers and they will vote for UKIP. In fact the more Farage winds up the politically correct, and the more the Tories and Cameron and Boris Johnson and all that lot criticise Farage, the more Tory voters will abandon the modernising Tories and vote for Farage.

The Telegraph has some articles on it saying that Farage seems to be doing it deliberately as a strategy. But where they are wrong is that they think Farage's vote can't grow and that he is only holding what he has already won, but the Telegraph journalist admits that he is a "metropolitan type", and in my opinion that is why he doesn't really understand just how many people are likely to vote UKIP. The majority of the people are not politically correct.

"Nigel Farage is a clever man, and careful. For all the swagger, he is a considered player of the political game. His deliberation is visible in his well-cultivated persona, which goes beyond regular pub-going: he wears a coat because other, chauffeur-driven politicians do not.
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When a clever politician says noisily controversial things, it’s worth asking why. Mr Farage has been noisier than usual of late, about breasts and foreigners.

Breasts, and children feeding from them in public, make some people feel uncomfortable, Mr Farage said. Women might respect such feelings by retreating to a lavatory “or perhaps sit in the corner”. Foreigners made him late. He got stuck in traffic on the M4 because of a “population that is going through the roof chiefly because of open-door immigration”.

Both statements caused excitement, especially on social media networks like Twitter and Facebook. People who previously thought badly of Mr Farage had those opinions confirmed. Many said so, loudly.

Those who agreed with Mr Farage may have been less voluble, but they exist. Mostly, they’re older than the people who didn’t agree with him. This matters a lot, because Ukip is partly a product of Britain’s demographics, of tension between generations.

Again, the younger side of this debate is better-aired: we hear a lot of the grievances of 20- and 30-somethings that their Baby Boomer-parents spent all the free money and bought all the houses. We hear less of the 60-somethings who feel excluded from a national conversation dominated by a younger, city-dwelling media and political elite, who feel that they are some things that you’re “not allowed” to say any more."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11283041/Nigel-Farages-caution-why-Ukip-will-always-be-Lidl-not-Tesco.html

There are millions of voters who are fed up of Cameron and the politically correct crowd and the fact that they feel "you're not allowed to" say things any more. The more Farage draws out politically correct Cameron and the Oxbridge gang who splutter in condemnation, the more votes he will win.

claig · 09/12/2014 18:19

"And now there are complaints of harassment too."

Have a read of this article in the Telegraph. It may be more complicated than initial reports suggest. The bottom line is it is unlikely to harm UKIP.

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11282644/Roger-Bird-isnt-a-sexual-predator-Ukip-men-are-no-worse.html

PuffinsAreFictitious · 09/12/2014 18:19

Well, Stap me vitals. A thread about Farrige on which claig goes all lovely dovey and isitmebut copy pastes reams of quotes. Just waiting for wetaugust to weigh in supporting claig's every word.....

Is it actually possible to discuss this subject in any other way on MN now?

What he said about the traffic was bloody irresponsible. In fact, most of what he says about everything is irresponsible, given how many ex BNP and EDL members will be voting for his party, now that their leaders have told them to.

claig · 09/12/2014 18:21

'Weren't they complaining a while ago that people kept making jokes about them and it was unfair?'

This UKIP Trumpton helps UKIP enormously. UKIP sometimes pretend to cry foul, but they must know that their votes go through the roof every time the liberal establishment is offended by their political incorrectness, because millions of people have had enough.

claig · 09/12/2014 18:23

'What he said about the traffic was bloody irresponsible.'

Puffins, he seems to be doing it deliberately to wind up the liberals who say he is "irresponsible" and that just gets him more votes. He is milking it and they are falling for it.

merrymouse · 09/12/2014 18:29

Even if the twat remarks are a strategy, I don't think the rest of the in-party balls ups are planned.

You can only take a strategy of looking stupid so far before it becomes clear that you actually are stupid.

You can complain about Oxbridge and political correctness as much as you like, but in the end you do need policies that intelligent, educated will people support, because they are 'the people' as much as anyone else.

claig · 09/12/2014 18:37

'I don't think the rest of the in-party balls ups are planned. '

I agree but they have no impact because the majority of the public don't care. The liberal establishment care and Boris Johnson cares and Cameron and the Etonians care, but the more they voice their displeasure, the more the people remember why they dislike them.

'You can only take a strategy of looking stupid so far before it becomes clear that you actually are stupid. '

Good point, it applies to nearly everything, but not to UKIP. Cameron called UKIP "loonies", so that is already in the bag, the public vote UKIP because Cameron thinks they are stupid. They vote UKIP because UKIP are the opposition. The public know they woll be called stupid and the public don't care.

'You can complain about Oxbridge and political correctness as much as you like, but in the end you do need policies that intelligent, educated will people support, because they are 'the people' as much as anyone else.'

Well, UKIP can't win everyone over, it only needs to win enough of the people over. Lots and lots of people have had enough. 1 in 5 Tory voters have switched to UKIP (2 million people) and the more Cameron and the politically correct crowd wind up the remaining 8 million Tory voters, the more likely they are to vote UKIP.

All the pundits are saying UKIP's rise is not about policy and I think they are right.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 09/12/2014 18:39

Claig dear, I realise that you're completely brainwashed, but it might be nice if you actually quote the relevant parts of a person's post, not the bit you can swoon over farrige for.... Hmm

claig · 09/12/2014 18:44

Puffins, I'm not brainwashed, I am explaining what is happening and I understand it because I vote UKIP too and you don't. I understand the appeal of UKIP and can see where Cameron and his team of spinners are getting it wrong and falling into Farage's trap. Farage is toying with Cameron, like a cat toys with a mouse. Farage has run rings around Cameron everytime. He wiped the floor with Clegg, and if Cameron doesn't wake up and understand what is happening, he will wipe the floor with Cameron too.

merrymouse · 09/12/2014 18:50

I definitely agree that their rise isn't about policy.

However if you actually want to run a country, not arse about and be the male equivalent of Katie Hopkins, you need both policies and the ability to govern.

Farage can't even govern his own party.

claig · 09/12/2014 18:55

'if you actually want to run a country, not arse about and be the male equivalent of Katie Hopkins, you need both policies and the ability to govern.'

Do you? We will find out. We know the civil service runs the country. What Farage and UKIP will do is set the policy and they have the policies - scrap the Climate Change Act, leave the EU, scrap the bedroom tax, take minimum wage payers our of taxation, scrap tuition fees for science degrees, scrap HS2 ete etc etc

The civil servants will carry them out. Farage will drink a pint and run rings around the Etonians and set the direction and policy and the people will laugh and cheer him on.

"Sir Cover-up has got the PM by the b! Top civil servant runs everything, says Gove's ex-aide
Dominic Cummings says Sir Jeremy Heywood has great influence over PM
Claims David Cameron has to ask his permission before doing anything
Sir Jeremy is Britain's most senior civil servant and was Tony Blair's principal private secretary from 1999 to 2003
Mr Cummings also says PM 'cannot manage his way out of a paper bag'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2843259/Sir-Cover-got-PM-b-civil-servant-runs-says-Gove-s-ex-aide.html

claig · 09/12/2014 18:57

'Farage can't even govern his own party.'

Yes, that will be UKIP's weakness and the establishment know it. I think they have probably already got some of their people in UKIP ready to try to wreck it from within, probably by making it politically correct. If Farage can't control what happens, then UKIP mau be on the way down. That is what the establishment hope.

GrumpyOldHorsewoman · 09/12/2014 19:05

Shouting louder and having a gaggle of like-minded bigots misguideds applaud and cheer you does not mean you 'wiped the floor' with anyone.

The man is a buffoon. He is the George W Bush of British politics but without the swagger. And as for the suggestion that he is 'anti-Establishment'...as Mandy Rice-Davis once said, "Well he would say that, wouldn't he".

Vote for him if you like, but please spare me the suggestion that he is a legitimate politician or the leader of anything other than a rabble of political cast-offs and miscreants seeking to ally themselves with anything that will have them.

claig · 09/12/2014 19:11

' does not mean you 'wiped the floor' with anyone.'

The opinion polls said that Farage beat Clegg in the debates and very convincingly in the second one.

Farage is not a buffoon and I think that even Cameron and Boris Johnson now realise that. They are bricking it.

This is what Sir John Nott, former Thatcher Defence Secretary, said about Farage.

Earlier this year he told the Daily Mail that he admired Farage's achievements. "Singlehandedly he’s threatening the oldest political party in the country," he said."

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/29/ukip-sir-john-nott-rochester-by-election_n_6067692.html

Austin Mitchell, Labour MP, said "Farage is a genius".

The establishment are under no illusion what they are up against, that is why you can expect every dirty trick in the book from now until election day to try to stop UKIP and the people.

merrymouse · 09/12/2014 19:25

scrap the Climate Change Act, leave the EU, scrap the bedroom tax, take minimum wage payers our of taxation, scrap tuition fees for science degrees, scrap HS2 ete etc etc

Yes, governing a country is definitely that simple and predictable and probably the other parties aren't following those policies because they are just too politically correct.

Or they are controlled by an establishment elite who seek to control us all with their fiendish plans.

Or maybe they are alien plants.

Was "The World's End" just fiction, or does Simon Pegg know more than he is letting on? I suppose only time will tell…

claig · 09/12/2014 19:29

'and probably the other parties aren't following those policies because they are just too politically correct.'

There is no probably about it, they have no choice, they do as they are told by the establishment.

I don't know who Simon Pegg is, but he sounds interesting, will look him up and see if he is on the right track.

claig · 09/12/2014 19:30

"Sir Cover-up has got the PM by the b! Top civil servant runs everything, says Gove's ex-aide

Claims David Cameron has to ask his permission before doing anything"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2843259/Sir-Cover-got-PM-b-civil-servant-runs-says-Gove-s-ex-aide.html

claig · 09/12/2014 19:40

The Etonians laugh at Miliband and Ed Balls. They know they can run rings around those two. But when the name Farage is mentioned in planning meetings, there is no laughter, just trepidation and utter panic.

Every teenager from Oxbridge in every hedge-fund backed politically correct third sector Big Society charidee and think tank trust has been drafted in to try to stop the People's Army. It has got so desperate that the Etonians are having lessons in how to drink pints of beer.

Melodygrace · 09/12/2014 19:42

To say ukip is slagged off on netmums so much... I'm surprised that nearly every person Iv asked in real life who they are voting for has said ukip. Whatever Nigel is doing must be working. Unless it's certain areas that prefer ukip??
I dont think claig or whatever is on his own it's just no one dare say I'm voting ukip on mumsnet for fear of bein called racist, stupid don't care about disabled people etc.

I havent got a clue who to vote for not really looked into any party. Iv never voted before but I would like to this time.

claig · 09/12/2014 19:45

'nearly every person I've asked in real life who they are voting for has said ukip'

Absolutely. It's a tidal wave of support for UKIP except in metropolitan circles.

Melodygrace · 09/12/2014 19:50

I know nothing about political stuff so thought I'd ask around. Everyone seems to love ukip round here. I was a little confused as I had only read terrible things about them on here.

claig · 09/12/2014 19:54

Melodygrace, it is the same where I live. I am in Essex.

claig · 10/12/2014 10:43

A very good analysis of UKIP's five tribes from the Conservative Home website, and the recent phenomenal rise of the People's Army tribe. Really all of the tribes are part of one and the same thing apart from the politically correct Douglas Carswell type of tribe which the Establishment probably hopes will one day destroy the People's Army.

Louise Bours, former Labour councillor, is definitely one of our champions. She slipped up once when she politically correctly suggested that looking at minimum alcohol pricing might be worth doing, but we forgive her, we know she came from Labour and has not yet got rid of bad habits.

"Even Farage, whom they hero-worship, could get himself into trouble if he put himself at odds with them [the People's Army]." Grin

Absolutely, but if the establishment ever get to Farage and twist his arm behind his back and force him to say that he believes in man-made global warming, then it's all over. The People's Army will then switch from Farage to Louise Bours as long as she doesn't go all establishment politically correct.

I am surprised that Conservative Home actually understands it. They are usually so politically correct and modernising that they usually don't have a clue.

'People’s Army UKIP

Bedecked in camouflaged uniforms, the People’s Army, we are told, is on the march. It hates the “LibLabCon” and “the Establishment”, and it has a penchant for clambering on tanks.

This is perhaps Nigel Farage’s most potent line of attack: that the liberal, metropolitan elites who hate ordinary Brits and employ foreign nannies have stitched up the political system, rigged the economy in their favour, ripped off their parliamentary expenses and are laughing at us all behind our backs. The elite in Westminster are allied with the fat quangocrats, the multi-national corporations and the smug “comedians” on Radio 4 whose idea of a joke is to say “Daily Mail” a lot in relation to things of which they disapprove. If you don’t have time for that exposition, just look at a politician who drinks pints and smokes fags - what could be less Islington?

It is a powerful pitch both because it is, to some extent, true and because it speaks to the gut instincts of a lot of people – particularly the ‘left behind’, living outside the capital, lacking a university education and still suffering disproportionately from the financial crisis.

It has given UKIP their first nickname, their best headlines and – crucially – a vast surge in membership.

Proudly anti-intellectual, the People’s Army knows what it is against (banks, bankers, toffs, Brussels, immigration, human rights, political correctness, busybodies, jobsworths and Little Hitlers) but its weakness is that it is not necessarily for anything (except the abolition of the things it is against). Like Red UKIP, it began as an electoral and rhetorical tool – but now it makes up vast tracts of the party’s grassroots.

It’s worth remembering that the majority of the party’s footsoldiers have joined within the last 18 months, the People’s Army phase. They know little of the previous two decades of history, development and technical debate on the EU issue, and care rather less. Their experience and enthusiasm is for the party as it is presented now – red tints where once there was Thatcher and libertarianism; “Westminster” used as a dirty word rather than the home of democracy.

The trend is perhaps best embodied by Louise Bours MEP, the party’s health spokesman, whose approach to politics tends more towards shouting than contemplation. It is effective within its target market – though, as those at the top of the party know, that could prove to be a difficult tiger to ride over time. Even Farage, whom they hero-worship, could get himself into trouble if he put himself at odds with them."

www.conservativehome.com/highlights/2014/12/the-five-tribes-of-ukip.html

Icimoi · 13/12/2014 11:00

I'm constantly bemused by the suggestion that liberals somehow hate Britain and are plotting its downfall. Blatantly it is totally illogical nonsense which is wholly lacking in any evidence. But it's a myth that the likes of the Mail love to promote, mainly because they want their readers to be miserable and they think they're stupid enough to fall for it. Sadly, some of them are.