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UKIP’s 1st MP; Clacton’s Carswell has the gig, so what is UKIP's ‘change’?

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Isitmebut · 13/10/2014 15:31

I did not expect to see new UKIP MP Mr Carswell being interviewed by Andrew Marr Show when I switched on yesterday; but here was the new Deputy Leader of UKIP, joining the ‘Westminster elite’ who make our laws and run the country, so I was very interested to hear why British politics needed an “earthquake” of change, and what UKIPs solutions were to our everyday problems.

Mr Carswell straight out of the traps and jabbering as fast as a greyhound running on speed, led with the apparently URGENT need for democratic ‘change’, where he will try and get cross party support to put in place MP ‘recall’ - where for whatever reason if a constituency gets say 20% of their voters to sign a petition to oust an MP, they can bin them and put a UKIP one in, or something like that.

UKIP, the party that has bastardised English democracy for decades by campaigning/bombarding social media for 20-years obtaining millions of votes on leaving the EU and cutting immigration - resulting in 24 highly paid but regionally useless UKIP MEPs in Brussels – are NOW targeting Westminster seats on similar false pretences, at the same time wanting us to believe that THEY are bastions of UK democracy. Lol

Mr Carswell also said the reason that he left the Conservatives back benches to gain political power as a UKIP Deputy Leader and the Farage heir apparent, was that they (the Conservatives) need to politically ‘modernise’, using the retail equivalent of moving from an HMV to a Spotify, WHAAAT?

Well about then, the only thing that became ‘spotified’ was my underwear for laughing so much.

So what makes UKIP so ‘different’ to the other ‘Westminster elite’ and the sole main ‘change’ they want to make, is to make it easier for UKIP’s media bombardiers of misinformation, to oust sitting MP’s whose governing party is making tough decisions, to be replaced by sub standard UKIP candidates - who TO-DATE, have not gained ONE Westminster seat of their own peddling UKIP EU misrepresentation and domestic flip flopping policies.

How should UK Westminster politics with the financial, economic, and social problems of today BE modernised?

Should the modernised UK annual budget deficit be called the Budget Deficiency? The modernised accumulating nation debt from those annual budget deficits that will be close to £1,500,000,000,000 in 2015, be toned down so not to frighten ‘the people’ and be called the National Promise?

Offering more democratic decisions is a GREAT IDEA when the UK has an annual budget SURPLUS of £5-£10 billion plus and the peoples voice is important to how that surplus is best spend for them. But with the apparent £75 billion to £90 billion DEFICIT estimates by 2015 (half of the 2010 figure), UKIP the party of populist soundbites and MP Carswell’s main policy of ‘recall’ - will remain an anti democratic Sword of Damocles over EVERY MP trying to do the right thing for the country now and our future generations.

So come the 2015 General Election the UK will have that budget deficit that can only be paid off by a combination of economic growth, tax rises and spending cuts, as the world economy enters another slump as I write, putting our current economic recovery far outpacing Europe, at risk.

Businesses therefore currently preparing for huge economic ‘risks’, will then have to additionally factor in huge UK political ‘risks’ until 2020, where no main party will be in control of our deficit, tax and spend policies, currently forming the basis for their new investment/job creation plans – and future policies may either cause them to downsize again and/or need loose coalitions of 3 parties or more, to get new legislation through.

So does the UK really need Ukip/Carswell’s self serving vision of democracy and leaving an EU they pay lip service to, but don’t really care if we leave because a United Kingdom Independence Party without enough Westminster seats would no longer be relevant in British politics if we did?

A UKIP very similar to the anti EU, anti establishment, Front National in France, with two recent seats in their senate, 23 MEPs and far right wing anti immigration policies - who in true anti revolutionary British fashion have retained the those voters by cleverly toning down their anti immigration rhetoric until they see a news opportunity - but as UKIP’s Founder said, it wasn’t that long ago as we entered the worst recession in 100-years ’UKIPs flagship policy was banning the burqa’.
“Ukip Founder Alan Sked Says The Party Is 'Morally Dodgy' And 'Extraordinarily Right-Wing'”
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/26/ukip-founder-alan-sked-morally-dodgy_n_2190987.html

In conclusion; As explained by Carswell, UKIP offers British politics nothing new in Westminster but a self serving democratic scam to install UKIP MPs into sitting MP’s seats, to fit along side their 20-year EU one to obtain MEPs under false pretences.

But Westminster ‘change’ for UKIPs sake , threatens the UK’s recovery now and in the future, by adding to businesses ECONOMIC risks, with future unstable POLITICAL risks that go beyond allowing Labour in as the largest party in parliament in 2015, to try tax the deficit away, destined to fail, as in France.

Lame duck UK parliaments from here on trying with solve the UK’s problems with various political party permutations is also a recipe for economic disaster, ensuring our Nation Debt (modernised to National Promise) liability will go BEYOND OUR GRANCHILDREN to sort out - all just so ‘the man down the pub’ who knows best, wants POWER, by giving us UKIP style ‘democracy’. Marvellous.

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Isitmebut · 25/10/2014 00:40

UKIP Carswell I see is still running around Westminster looking to 'change' all our daily lives for the better with MP Recall, and no doubt we will have two UKIP MP's doubly effective making a 'difference'.

But what happens when they run out of sitting Conservative MPs and we get the UKIP candidates?

UKIP promised that they were the party to vote for if we wanted to come out of the EU and/or control immigration, how voting in 24 UKIP MEPs did that promise work out?

This is the UKIP 'change' when they get power and represent us regionally.

“Ukip MEPs are laziest in Europe, missing a third of debates as Cameron warns UK needs politicians who will 'turn up'”

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2626937/Ukip-MEPs-laziest-Europe-missing-debates-Cameron-warns-UK-needs-politicians-turn-up.html
• Ukip ranked bottom in league table of 76 parties from across the EU
• On average its MEPs turned up for just 61.1% of votes over five years
• Lib Dems best UK party with more than 3 MEPs, attending 87% of votes
• David Cameron says European Parliament elections 'do matter'

Note MEP Remuneration; £78,000 annual salary + Daily attendance Allowance + Staff Costs + £3,500 a month allowance paid into their personal bank account whether claimed or not.

So in Brussels when UKIP represents us they don't bother to turn up, and in Westminster they'll concentrate on MP Recall that very few voters suffering from our worst recession in living memory, care about, as certainly not in their Top 10 concerns. Marvellous.

www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3410/EconomistIpsos-MORI-June-2014-Issues-Index.aspx

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Isitmebut · 29/10/2014 23:50

From 2015, is England repeat England, heading for both an expensive UK devolition settlement and guaranteed to be within the EU for a decade, on Brussels Terms?

Are we getting to a ‘democratic’ point now, where support for UKIP will not only maintain the UK status quo on the EU/immigration issues, with no EU in/out debate followed by a Referendum – but also at a time when UK devolution will be firmly on the political agenda, the citizens/taxpayers of England will find that a 2015 Labour adminstarion heading up a socialist coalition and needing to pick up nationalist votes from both Scottish and Wales, would not have our best interests at heart???

Due to dodgy electoral boundaries, the Conservatives need to be aroung 8% ahead of Labour in the polls/votes to get a similar number of parliamentary seats, and are current neck and neck on 30% according to one poll – with the main voting intension improvement being for UKIP. now up around 19%.

If UKIP on election day had anywhere near that, or even down to 8%, Labour will form the next government and with the other socialist/pro EU parties e.g. the Lib Dems, SNP, SDP, Plaid Cymru and probably the Greens – are likely to ENSURE via a Westminster parliamentary voting majority the UK stays in the EU – no doubt confident (deluded) that THEY as socialists, dealing with socialists, will be better EU negotiators.

A Labour Party needing to keep such a UK socialist-ish coalition sweet on the EU and other voting matters, will have to make all sorts of policy compromises including expensive green energy when we have already heavily invested and urgently need more reliable forms, which will not bode well for England, especially the taxpayers.

“The Barnett Formula Explained”
news.sky.com/story/1336911/the-barnett-formula-explained
“It's been used to distribute UK wealth across England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland for 35 years. Faisal Islam explains.”

“What is the Barnett formula?”

“It's a system of grants for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland that's based partly on which powers they have devolved to them, and partly on population.”

In conclusion: apart from no EU Referendum in the UK, just how expensive to England's finances/taxpayers will the populist wish for UKIP MPs in Westminster will be, is anyones guess – for what upside, UKIP's 'little grey cell' intellect to best sort out the UK’s economic/debt/NHS problems in very uncertain times????

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Isitmebut · 02/11/2014 00:10

“Labour Facing Election Wipe-Out In Scotland”
“Ed Miliband is under pressure after a new poll says Labour is set to lose 90% of its MPs north of the border.”
news.sky.com/story/1363874/labour-facing-election-wipe-out-in-scotland

So it seems ironic that by VOTING for a English nationalist party (UKIP), we will ensure that the Scottish Nationalist Party not only REMAINS in Westminster influencing ALL English policies - but will have a larger say in a 2015 Westminster parliament, likely to vote with Labour and the Lib Dems on all left of centre policies i.e. higher taxes and pro EU – demanding ever more expensive Scottish concessions (from England), in return.

England has to decide in 2015 WHO they trust more to negotiate UK devolution and the EU reforms/referendum;, the Westminster parliamentary Labour Party or the Conservatives who in 2010 (see map below) was democratically elected over the greatest area to represent England - as there is no other choice between those two in who will try and form the next 2015 government.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/

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Isitmebut · 02/11/2014 21:47

Straight from the 'orses mouth today, without a Conservative majority or workable minority (thanks mainly to UKIP taking 2-3 times more Tory votes than Labour) in 2015 - the 2015 Westminster parliament with the SNP probably being the 3rd largest party, is likely to be a shambles, a 'lame duck' - when our recovery will still be fragile and the last thing we need with a 'cost of living crisis, is fat government, bad spending, higher taxes.

“Salmond Rules Out U.K. Coalition With Tories After 2015”
www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-02/salmond-rules-out-u-k-coalition-with-tories-after-2015.html

“I certainly think that there’s no chance whatsoever of the SNP ever going into coalition with the Conservative Party, given their attitude towards Scotland,” Salmond told BBC Television’s “Andrew Marr Show” in an interview broadcast today. While refusing to exclude a coalition with Labour entirely, he said that “it’s unlikely the SNP would see itself in a Westminster coalition.”

”Salmond said SNP lawmakers would be more likely to wring policy concessions from the two main parties by offering support to a minority government on specific issues. “There would be greater tractions in negotiating support on a case-by-case basis,” he told the BBC.”

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mrsruffallo · 02/11/2014 21:53

SNP will not be the third largest party

Isitmebut · 02/11/2014 22:19

mrsruffallo .... On a first past the post system where the 2010 Lib Dems on a 'change' and 'we are different' pre election surge got 23% of the votes, but only 57 seats (versus Labour 29% of the votes and 258 seats) - looking at the current polls, who do you think will be 3rd?

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JackSkellington · 03/11/2014 14:18

SNP will not be the third largest party

Um, they are. They're currently the third biggest party in the UK, but on principle would not enter into a coalition with the Tories, if it came to it.
I think we're in real danger of a Tory/UKIP coalition and I think Cameron's attack on the EU is unfortunately making people consider voting UKIP.

Isitmebut · 03/11/2014 15:35

JackSkellington ... how many seats do the SNP currently have in Westminster, as the Lib Dems have in the mid 50's?

There can be no Conservative/UKIP coalition, as UKIP feeds mainly on the Conservatives vote, and remembering the Conservatives in 2010 were 20 seats short of a majority in Westminster, below shows what a UKIP in 2010 with just 3% of the vote, managed to achieve.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/7693877/General-Election-2010-Ukip-challenge-cost-Tories-a-Commons-majority.html

“Analysis of results shows that in at least 21 key marginal seats, Ukip’s share of the vote proved enough to allow Labour or the Lib Dems to see off strong Tory challenges.”

Due to dodgy electoral boundaries, the Conservatives need far more votes than Labour to be the largest/majority party as proved in 2005 when Labour on 35% of the vote had a 66 seat majority, while the current Conservative government with 36% of the vote, ended up 20 seats SHORT of a majority.

As the Labour, Lib Dems and SNP votes will distribute amongst each other e.g. in 2010 many 2010 Labour votes went to the Lib Dems and millions likely/could go back, with some Labour going to UKIP, and fewer to the Conservatives - there is far more of a chance of a Labour led loose socialist coalition. IMo.

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Isitmebut · 03/11/2014 23:43

Coalitions who'd have 'em; beware men in socks 'n sandals wielding daggers - et tu Norman?

I'll reiterate a point I've made elsewhere, IMO this country owes (the left of Labour) Lib Dems so much for putting party ideology/differences aside and working with the party that in 2010 had the larger number of seats in Westminster, the Conservatives.

That inter party unity helped get our finances/economy under control, at a time when massive political uncertainty, to our (then) massive economic uncertainty, would have resulted in little private sector confidence/job creation, seen to date.

But the UK was lucky the coalition lasting this long, and although it looks like Norman Bakers resignation from the Home Office several months before the General Election is more like post 2015 General Election party politics positioning - it highlight that coalitions are inherently unstable (look at Italy, rather than Germanic political 'efficiency') on top of any party's internal divisions.

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Isitmebut · 07/11/2014 23:18

UKIP’s 21-year old message is that they want the UK out of the EU asap, no matter what it takes, and as the ‘party of the people’ wants more democracy for those people – so why does the opposite seem true?

UKIP tell us that Cameron has no chance of getting EU reforms, which is fair enough, they are far from being alone in thinking that Cameron (or any UK leader, based on recent history) is pushing an EU reform boulder uphill against 27 other countries - especially if those leaders still believe in the founding principles of the EU e.g. the free movement of people, and unlike the UK in 2004, did not follow an ’open door’ policy resulting in ‘too many, too soon’.

So KNOWING how important it is that the UK has an ‘out’ option, you’d think that a UKIP/Farage who has said that ‘he would do a deal with the devil’, would be getting UKIP’s full weight (and ex Conservative voters), behind an EU democratic vote – rather than further pursuing Tory voters, ensuring the Conservatives are either NOT the largest party in 2015, or IF the largest, can STILL get out voted by the Labour, Lib Dem, SNP and Green block Westminster vote.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-would-do-a-deal-with-the-devil-to-get-eu-referendum-9407651.html

So how can anyone trust the integrity of a United Kingdom Independence Party that on the one hand tells us that ‘UKIP BACKS DIRECT DEMOCRACY’

“UKIP backs direct democracy and use of referendums”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27973093
“Nigel Farage has said UKIP wants to give people direct democracy - with referendums to decide some policy.”

But on the other, internally it appears that UKIP/Farage would rather the Conservative Referedum does not happen and that the block socialist coalition vote, led by the parliamentary Labour Party, would both keep the UK in the EU as it gets closer to federalism , and put the UK economic recovery at risk.

“Farage backs Miliband for PM; UKIP wants Labour to win the next General Election because it fears Cameron could win an EU Referendum.”
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2793688/farage-backs-miliband-ukip-want-labour-win-election-fear-cameron-win-eu-referendum.html
• Ukip have conceded privately they would prefer Labour to win next election
• Party thinks a PM Miliband less likely to win a referendum than Cameron
• Ukip claims it now poses an equal threat to Labour and Conservative
• But pollsters say a Ukip surge is likely to hand Labour victory over Tories

And when UKIP gets a Westminster MP (Carswell), their big ideas on ‘change’ while being ‘domocratic’, MP Recall, is just a back door way using the likes of social media, of getting home grown (non Conservative) UKIP candidates in as Westminster MPs, that didn’t cut it in a general or by-election.

So if UKIPs focus is no longer leaving the EU by any means, and democracy only used to get into Westminster via the back door, how can this be explained?

The only answer that makes any sense, is that UKIP/Farage is in it for themselves and sees a new, larger, political taxpayer funded gravy train in Westminster, and if the UK voted to come OUT of the EU too soon, it would make a United Kingdom Independence Party, Farage, and his talent less merry band of MEP’s redundant, before they swapped ££££ trains.

“Ukip leader Nigel Farage boasts of his £2m in expenses"
www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/24/mps-expenses-ukip-nigel-farage
”Farage used EU allowances to finance his eurosceptic message”

“Nigel Farage calls for MP pay rise to £100,000 - just weeks before announcing where he will stand in 2015”
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-calls-for-mp-pay-rise-to-100000--just-weeks-before-announcing-where-he-will-stand-in-2015-9593756.html

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Isitmebut · 19/11/2014 14:59

Ex Conservative MP Carswell has finally been assimilated into the UKIP ‘collective’, as he appears to have lost his understanding of the nations finances.

In particular within a party advocating a 31p Flat Tax/NI Rate in 2010 and offering £19 billion of unfunded tax cuts at their last conference, why our annual budget deficit has 'only' fallen from £157 billion, to £100 billion.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11237844/Why-cant-the-Coalition-fix-the-deficit.html

Apparently Carswell does not agree that in trying to help with the fall in real earnings since 2007, all the tax cuts the Coalition have made to try and help would NOT have slowed the reduction of the budget deficit and cites the increase in the workforce – but fails to produce any data on the average salaries on those employed since 2010, which is key, as employment numbers won’t mean higher taxes IF they are the main beneficiaries of the tax cuts.

Clearly providing a well researched article and basis for a debate was not the point of his main point ‘to live within our means’, as while recognizing our tax take targets are ‘mobile’ (as most other countries putting up penal tax rate have found e.g. France) in clearly advocating the UK slashing spending across services to achieve our ‘means’ - he does not say so, and if he had, a UKIP spokesperson would have soon said ‘he didn’t mean it’.

Remember, when Labour put up the top tax rate of 40% to 50% after 13-years in government, forecast to raise around £6 bil a year, estimates of the taxes ACTUALLY raised was between plus £2 billion a year and minus £1 billion – so as NOT a static target, all those Labour MP ideas of taxes on Death, more raids on Private Pensions, and keep hitting businesses will once again appear in an effort to tax the economy to growth, which in a fragile economy will fail in 2015, as it would have in 2010.

The annual budget deficit reduction via the UK tax take has ALSO suffered due to flattish wage growth across the economy, as there is nothing like a good dose of wage (or any) inflation to help ‘erode’ any debt.

And neither national inflation and wage inflation (not able to rise much above the nation rate as small to medium sized companies are still suffering) currently can help the UK’s debt and tax take - which is even worse in Europe as they are close to DEFLATION, which historically kills business investment/jobs and lowers consumption, as people wait for lower prices.

Finally come 2015, a fractured parliament of several parties causing massive political risk to financial and economic risks, can only INCREASE the budget deficit, as in the unlikely events that a Labour led government did not increase government borrowing, or raise taxes so much it kills the recovery – our interest charges on that debt will rise from the current £52 bil a year, as international investors currently funding our £1.450 trillion of Nation Debt, would demand higher bond yield/interest rates to compensate them for this new political risk.

UKIP can only ADD to our annual budget deficit Mr Carswell, so complaining about the coalitions efforts, in disingenuous at best.

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Isitmebut · 20/11/2014 14:23

Is it true that Carswell is pro immigration?

Reckless is pro HS2 train line and pro free at the point of contact NHS, you have to wonder exactly what UKIP offered, or has on them.

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Isitmebut · 21/11/2014 10:13

Mr Carswell was allowed out last night for public scrutiny on Question Time, AFTER the Rochester Poll booths closed.

Just as well, as the assimilation into the UKIP collective is complete; swivel eyed, bent expressions, and rattled out 'stuff' like a machine gun the 'this is wrong, but I have no answer', using his purple forked tongue.

I predict Mr Wheeler and Mr Farage will now wonder if the Deputy Leader price to make him defect, was such a good idea, as in title, Carswell is the UKIP leader's face in Westminster.

Joined in Westminster now by the re-labeled Mark 'interesting' Reckless, just how is Mr Farage going to keep them 'on message' for the next 6-months?

As apart from ever knowing what the CURRENT UKIP message is, when they try to SOUND UKIP, it just comes out wrong and Farage needs to excuse them e.g. Reckless deciding to deport EU citizens.

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claig · 21/11/2014 10:42

I agree, Carswell is absolutely useless. Are you sure he is Deputy Leader, I thought the excellent Paul Nuttall was.

Isitmebut · 21/11/2014 10:49

I saw/heard Farage announce it WHEN Carswell won UKIP Clacton, possibly at the UKIP Conference ... so you're right, it could be total rollocks.

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claig · 21/11/2014 10:53

I have googled and can't find it so it is probably wrong. I hope it is wrong because Carswell is not very good to put it mildly.

Isitmebut · 21/11/2014 11:19

Claig .. I can't find it either, but Farage def said it, as I was scratching around looking for the carrot for why a Carswell, having firmly endorsed a Conservative/Cameron EU Referendum, then joined a UKIP with no such gift in their power - and thought I'd found it.

If I was totally sad, or an incurable insomniac, I'd look at the UKIP Conference Farage speeches again just to prove it, but for now, I will accept a rare Claig fact - and no longer mention it.

Maybe like a second hand car, UKIP kicked the second hand Carswell tyres and found him wanting for the journey, maybe Mr Nuttall threatened to Nutt 'im, we may never know.

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Isitmebut · 22/11/2014 15:15

And from the UKIP party that for election after election has intimated to voters that only UKIP could and would bring the UK out of the EU and LIED - this current electoral mistruth is PRICELESS, from newly elected and purple re-labelled U’ kipper Mark Reckless.

“David Cameron won't win a majority, insists Mark Reckless”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11247738/David-Cameron-wont-win-a-majority-insists-Mark-Reckless.html
”Newly-elected Ukip MP says Prime Minister will need Nigel Farage's party to deliver an in-out referendum on EU membership after General Election”

So lets take a closer look at this latest UKIP spin on UK politics, given a seat in Westminster by the good people in Rochester & Strood - and add some facts.

  • UKIP take 2-3 Conservative votes to 1 Labour vote in contested marginal seats.
  • UKIP currently polling 15% to 18%, inflicted huge electoral damage on the Conservatives in 2010, with just 3% on the General Election votes, for not one MP seat in Westminster.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/7693877/General-Election-2010-Ukip-challenge-cost-Tories-a-Commons-majority.html
  • Conservatives due to electoral boundaries, need to be around 8% ahead of the polls in 2015 to win the same amount of seats as Labour, as evidenced by the 2005 and 2010 General Election results; 2005 Labour with 35% of the vote had a 66 seat MAJORITY government, 2010 Conservatives with 36% of the vote had a 20 seat MINORITY government.
  • UKIP having deleted from this earth their 2010 General Election manifesto, have yet to convince with their 2015 manifesto any Labour ;heartland’ voters that they are worthy of their ‘working class’ trust/vote, and historically UKIP voter support falls at General Elections as voters come to their how-can-these-halfwits-run-the-country senses.
  • UKIP voters, as Farage knows, will therefore ENSURE that the next government in 2015 will be a Labour led government, that ideologically will have far more in common with the pro EU, pro Scottish Westminster MP votes on English matters, anti business, higher spending and taxes SNP Party, with additional support from some Lib Dem MPs and Greens.

Farage similar to the last several years, is lying to the electorate on what voting for UKIP can achieve bringing us out of the EU, and has his own Westminster agenda that does not include the possibility of an EU Referendum.

Moreover UKIP’s rich backers, and Farage, are relying on political, economic, financial and social chaos over the next 5-10 years, increasing UKIP’s (and their) Westminster power on UK domestic issues.

“Farage backs Miliband for PM; UKIP wants Labour to win the next General Election because it fears Cameron could win an EU Referendum.”
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2793688/farage-backs-miliband-ukip-want-labour-win-election-fear-cameron-win-eu-referendum.html

“(Nov 2014) Nigel Farage: UKIP could do deal with Labour”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30029004
UKIP could support a minority Labour government after the next general election, Nigel Farage has said.

In conclusion; the British public can not believe a SINGLE WORD out of Farage’s ‘people party’ mouth or via UKIP manifestos, as the man who has tried to become a Westminster MP six-times before, will say absolutely ANYTHING to get power.

And this is the UKIP solution to better politics and politicians ‘the people’ can trust?

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Isitmebut · 22/11/2014 15:40

I closed my 19 November post on this thread warning of the POLITICAL RISKS of UKIP, will add to the UK’s economic and financial risks adding to our financial problems as investors in the UK capital markets will start ‘pricing in’ that risk to our markets – the following article not only agrees with me on the prospect, the markets are seeing it already.

(Nov 21st) “Europe’s Season of Political Discontent Rung In by UKIP Victory”
www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-21/europe-s-season-of-political-discontent-rung-in-by-ukip-victory.html

”Victory by the anti-EU U.K. Independence Party in a British parliamentary contest was fuelled by the same sense of economic injustice and antagonism to politics-as-usual that will unsettle Europe in coming months. It also gave a flavour of the potential fallout, as the pound fell against most of its 16 major peers.”

”Early elections are beckoning in Greece, Catalonia, Italy and Austria, and that’s before scheduled ballots including in the U.K. in May, Portugal in September or October and in Spain at year’s end. The re-emergence of political risk in Europe is cited by Royal Bank of Scotland Plc analysts including Alberto Gallo as among the “top trades” for 2015.”

“Britain’s relative economic health has failed to quell the UKIP insurgency. British growth of 3.1 percent in 2014 will top the euro area’s 0.8 percent, putting the U.K. ahead for the third year, the EU forecasts. Britain’s unemployment rate is 6 percent, compared to 11.5 percent in the euro area.”

The UK annual budget deficit Mr Carswell is concerned is not falling fast enough, and the accumulating National Debt approaching £1,500,000,000,000 (£1.5 trillion), is likely to cost more in debt service costs (interest) than the current approx £52 billion a year, when interest rates begin to rise off of historic lows.

However a UK with an increased POLITICAL RISK of damaging parliamentary coalitions from 2015, that could derail our recovery versus Europe, will almost certainly via market forces INCREASE our interest rates/government debt service costs further, OVER AND ABOVE what we could have expected.

Therefore the move from a two main party system, currently working relatively well versus Europe, will be VERY EXPENSIVE to UK taxpayers – so one has to wonder what innovative solutions to our national problems other political parties have, making it worth the cost.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/11/2014 15:47

Nazis in parliament..... bad day for the UK

Isitmebut · 23/11/2014 15:43

On the Sunday Politics today, from an interview with new(ish) UKIP MP Carswell, we learned a few things about what, and more important WHO, drives UKIP’s UK domestic policies – and it is NOT the UKIP Westminster parliament party, the democratically elected UKIP MP’s that SHOULD representing ‘the people’.
Indeed we learned;

  • MP Carswell has had little, if ANY, input into UKIP’s current policies.
  • MP Carswell or MP Reckless will have little, if ANY, input into UKIP’s 2015 General Election manifesto.
  • UKIP has an ‘elected’ central committee, elected(?) in non MEP EU/immigration policies, by which citizens?
  • UKIP’s Farage, who disowned his whole 2010 General Election manifesto, is indeed driving the whole ‘Jackanory’ show of what policy, suits which day, from Monday to Tuesday, or as below Tuesday to Wednesday.

”Ukip MP Mark Reckless left feeling 'sore' after Nigel Farage 'changed immigration policy'”
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-mp-mark-reckless-left-feeling-sore-after-nigel-farage-changed-immigration-policy-9877429.html
”Speaking to The Times, Mr Reckless suggested Mr Farage had altered his stance on immigration after the controversy surrounding EU migrant policy broke.”

“He said: "Until Nigel changed it on Wednesday, the policy of the party was everyone can stay for the transitional period, no doubt about that, that there would then be a permanent arrangement which would be part of the EU negotiation."

Vote for a constituency UKIP MP, get a central Jackanory

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