speed Cameras - Rant alert

[magicfarawaytree]

Why dont the wa**rs who go on about gettting rid of speed cameras go play catch on the m6! Get a life and put your engergy into something constructive. Its not like there isnt enough to choose from...education, crime in generel etc

Must be all that coach drving I do.

Think the dual carriageway thing changed not that long before I started driving (around 6 yrs ago) - I remember that my dad always used to say that it was 60 & I was like NO it's not & get the highway code book out!

LOL. I must be your dad.

"If there are streetlights and no
signs to the contrary a 30mph speed
limit is in force." Source pdf

This article is also interesting. It's about Durham police force which does not use speed cameras...

single carriageway 50

have never heard this one and I am deeply anal

whats a single carriageway? Like a country road?

ha! at the speed limits changing. I don't think they have changed for a while now, although my dad swears that the limit on single carriageway A roads used to be 70.

single carriageway is a normal road, as opposed to a dual carriageway. the limit on them is 60.

The difference is defined by the existence of a physical barrier separating the two directions of traffic. (It's got nothing to do with the number of lanes etc.)

Blu,

I think the conspracy theorsit site you posted the link to belongs to someone that my DP is prosecuting soon.

They are even flying over the main man of the company that makes gatsos.

wha?

ok, pls give me an example of a single carriageway which would be 50 not 30.

A country road?

I thought they were 70.

Filly: the Finchley Road is not 30, for example, and in large part it's single carriageway (though 2 lanes on each side). It's actually a 40, but that's just a decision based on how built-up the area is etc.

nice to see so many people agree. I'm not bothered about revenue generation- if they want to use them that way then do so. I'll just stick to to the speed limit then I'm not going to get a ticket. I have been caught speeding 43 in a 30 zone - it was a main motorway feeder road and I was just coming into a village, I was momentarily distracted by the kids squabling in the back. That is no excuse and I quite rightly deserved a ticket and the points, what I was most mortified about the speed I was doing. When I was you I saw a girl killed by a car travelling too fast on a residential street. she was only 4, I can still remember her mothers distress, I would not wish that on anyone. I disagree with those people who say 'I was only doing x miles an hour over the speed limit' as is proven below:

Hit at 10mph - almost all children survive.
Hit at 20mph - one in twenty dies.
Hit at 30, the legal limit - half die.
But hit at 40 - a common speed in towns - 17 out of 20 children will be killed.

oh I am so completely confused noe, hub

which bit of Finchley Road?

It has traffic lights so should be 30...yet is also a red route so...hmmm....but has two lanes...

I am utterly confused and will just drive at 20 mph at all times from now on, I think.

Yes, it is in a built up area so should be 30. BUT as it's a major road, with two lanes each side, I guess the council / police thought it could safely handle a higher speed, so they upped it to 40, and indicated this with signs. As it doesn't have a continuous barrier separating the two streams of traffic for the most part it's not a dual carriageway, but a single.

Is that any clearer ?

The bit with the speed camera just after the turn off for West Hampstead if you're going from Golders Green to Siwss Cottage, for example, is a 40 zone (IIRC, LOL).

Now I'm crapping myself wondering if it's actually all 30, LOL....

Infact I seem to remember always going through that cam @ 30, LOL. Oh well... will have to see in a few days time !

ah, there has to be a continous barrier? Oh crap, I thought that with a continous barrier it was 70 (if no streetlights etc), without it was 60. Its this single carriageway thing thats confusing me.

Am pretty sure its 40 from around the 02 centre to-hmmm, I thought golders green at least, actually. But could be wrong.

Yes, there has to be a continuous barrier / division for it (by definition) to be a dual carriageway. Normal dual carriageways are a 70 limit.

Without the barrier it's a single carriageway (regardless of the number of lanes !!!!) and it's 60.

Yeah, thinking back it's 40 around there...

We've got traffic lights locally in a 50 zone.

its the fucking injustice of the system together with empty fucking motorways and lowered limits so they can get some fucking money - why - becuase they are fuckers.

ordinary people who get caught - i would suggest are notdoing 90 in a school zone.

my father in law got 6 points on his liscence coming to visit us from up north - this over two years.

whyuy

becuase he travels at night

why
becuase its safer

safer

on the motorways

so he gets caught by a fucking speed camera near heathrow airport

why is it there?

why
?

to protect the workmen - and quite rightly

were they fucking working at 2am

no

were they fuck

so there he is doing what most people would consider a safe 60 on the MOTORWAY he gets done.

now me

hands up - certified looney i deserve everything i get. but i swear clarkson has a point.

and not only the injustice of the whole system - whereby i can nicka fucking car cause a riot and get commuity fucking service.

but the LAZY LAZY judicial system that is ....fines.

we are governing by fining people. which isn't right.

look if people should never go over 70 mph - why make cars that go 180?

i have a sciento - even that goes 120.

and the most dangerous people on the road are the people that tut at others whilst causing the accidents by driving under the speed limit - then drive off still tutting away from an accident they caused but were not involved in.

arrrrrrgh.

i use the roads for great distences everyday - i am not talking about suburban driving 0 i am not. but there are some areas, some roads where the speed cameras are not there for your safety they are just not - and you should protest at this lazy system of justice whereby if some fucker nicks your car, tags your car, copies your plates and can speed all over the fucking place not getting caught. yet I get the £60 fine and three points for this:

i drive to get petrol its 12.30 am i am on a dual carriageway - theres not a soul in sight its not a pedestrial area. its not a built up area. i am over the limit. i get stopped - i was being safe, i was not harning anyone.

the police stop me give me some fucking lecture - and over the radio comes a call for a robbery IN FUCKING PROGRESS down the road.

he stays there for an extra 5 misn- giving ME the fucking lecture whilst writing me up - I assume whilst some FUCKER IS NICKING THE TELLIES radios and playstations out of someones house.

justice.

dont be fooled. we are not talking about people who speed in suburban areas.

feel strongly then custardo

As it happens, I've worked on motorway construction, and I will assure you that just because your idiot father in law was going too fast to see them doesn't mean they weren't there.

I bet if he'd hit someone you'd be sympathetic about the trauma he suffered. "didn't see them..." I'd bet you'd also complain if if was your son or father who got hit.

Sadly though, the restrctions are to protect selfish oafs like him.
Roads being upgraded are much more dangerous.

Construction work leaves mud and small nasty things on the road like pebbles and sharp broken concrete. This affects control at high speed, and of course breaking but your FiL doesn't "do" slowing does does he ?
Also the bits do cut into tyres, not frequent but very nasty.

Also there will be alterations to lanes, lights not working and occasionally a bloody great yellow vehicle will appear from nowhere and try to occupy the same space as some twat who puts other people's lives at risk for his selfish stupidity.

It seems that you have the same contempt for other people's safety.

"And why is it legal to sell stuff designed to help you break the law? One of my colleagues was poring over a leaflet for some paint which apparantly makes your number plate unphotographable - I hope he gets some and finds it doesn't work!"

I saw a bit in the paper about this the other day - someone selling this stuff was prosecuted, not for selling it, but under the trades description act because it didn't work! He was found guilty, but I can't remember the punishment.

There is a general catch all of "perverting the course of justice", which might catch these things.

But...
Very few things only have illegal uses.
I recall when wearing gear round your neck that was associated with drug use was quite trendy.

My own work requires the use of tools that the government has several times tried to ban as terrorist/criminal gear. At one glorious point they succeeded at exactly the same time as my gang charged them "outrageous rates" (their own words) to use them. Their current approach is to make us licenced, since the artsgrads in the home office simply can't grasp dual use.

It's a dangerous road to go down.
Things are almost never made "for" bad purposes.

My approach to foxing cameras would be to polish it so well that the glare upse them. Want to make polish illegal ?
To do it properly I'd get one of the cameras, and would bet money that they have issues with colours or angles.
You then get into a mess which quickly becomes oppressive. Want to be that a black guy with this stuff is more likely to end up in court ?

Then you get corruption. Although we were stupidly expensive, our government projects, never not once went over budget. If advanced tools require licencing, then they will only be used by large firms who will screw you over big time with their monopoly.

You never know that things may chmage in a yera or so.

A man went to Europen Court of humna Rights this week stating that it was wrong to be asked as to who was driving when caught by speed camera as he has no right of silence as per other offences when caught at the time.

'You do not have to say anything etc etc....

Things change....