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9% MP pay rises?

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rollonthesummer · 07/09/2014 23:03

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29098334

Are we really all in this together??

I'm feeling rather poor and depressed after reading that :(

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Oblique27 · 07/09/2014 23:07

I don't know whether to be depressed or angry, can't wait to get to ballot box and vote them out but no idea on any alternative....Angry

rollonthesummer · 07/09/2014 23:11

Exactly. I haven't a clue who on earth to vote for? Labour just seem to be conservatives in a very poor) disguise!?

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nachohousekeeper · 07/09/2014 23:12

So depressing. They haven't got a clue have they?

rollonthesummer · 08/09/2014 08:01

Nope-I think we're heading for a revolution! So many 'normal' people really struggling yet things like this are on the news. This morning, they were talking about cutting the police force numbers-really??! Is that a good idea?!

DH said they were recently interviewing someone on the bbc (I think it was the local news) who had just bought a house in the area. She was saying how lovely her new house was and how it had a pool and everything. Is that really what the public want to hear about when most normal people are struggling to pay the bills.

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prh47bridge · 08/09/2014 10:07

Note that, contrary to the impression some posters seem to have, MPs are not proposing this pay rise nor do they get a vote on it. Under the new arrangements their pay is determined by IPSA, the body that oversees their expenses. MPs have no say in the matter.

As part of the package IPSA is proposing to reduce the cost to the taxpayer of pensions, scrap resettlement payments and tighten up expenses rules. IPSA say there is no cost to the taxpayer. They also say that after this adjustment MP's pay should be linked to average earnings. Contrary to popular belief MP's pay has risen more slowly than average earnings for the last 20 years.

niceguy2 · 08/09/2014 12:34

This is one of those subjects where you can see that the vast majority of people only ever read the headlines and seldom do they delve into the details.

Remember the expenses scandal? Where most voters were up in arms about MP's expenses? Well after that MP's shat themselves and decided to implement an independent body to set their pay. No longer could they vote to set their own pay.

Sounds sensible right?

Well that body has now come back and proposed that as prh47 has said, scrap certain expenses and instead get a payrise to cover that.

The important part is that this is cost neutral meaning it isn't going to cost us any more than it currently does.

But of course the headlines only lead with "MP's get a 9% payrise!" which if you only ever read the headlines sounds selfish doesn't it? But then the headline "MP's get a 9% payrise but lose a lot of expenses and in the end won't gain anything" doesn't quite have the same ring.

This is what I call the law of unintended consequences. Firstly voters rightly or wrongly don't want MP's to get any payrise. There's a whole swathe of voters who'd love to see MP's get minimum wage or less!

Secondly it's awkward now for the government. Politically it's going to go down like a lead balloon with voters. However if you overrule the independent body then it was never truly independent. If you let them proceed you look like rich boys feathering their own nests.

Lastly think about it. You get what you pay for. If we don't pay them a decent wage you will either get numpties too stupid to get a job better paid anywhere else or someone so rich they don't care about the money and is only in it for the power. I don't want either really.

Thereyouarepeter · 08/09/2014 12:40

They need to be paid more to be fair - it's not an easy argument to sell but they really do.

What normal person wants to do that job for £60,000 a year? If you don't make a competitive offer, anyone with any talent is going to job that is much less of a hassle.

You're going to end up with people who are independently wealthy through inheritance doing the job or the calibre of candidate will (and already is in my opinion) decrease.

ohmymimi · 12/09/2014 12:40

niceguy Spot on, as usual.

ohmymimi · 12/09/2014 12:44

prh Spot on, too.

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