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Anti semitism.

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TheDeathOfRats · 01/09/2014 16:25

I know there was the protest march on Sunday against anti semitism (which a few of my relatives took part in- but there weren't big numbers, not even two thousand, I think?) but I wondered why it is being largely ignored by the media? Since the start of August, FOUR different synagogues in Britain were vandalised and attacked, Jews were attacked on the street, and a Jewish graveyard and Holocaust memorials were vandalized. In July, there were over 200 anti Semitic attacks...the six months before that, there were 300. Including August, I have no doubt that it means in two months there will have been more anti semitic attacks than in the last half of the year. Wtf is going on?

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KareninsGirl · 01/09/2014 16:56

I was there yesterday. There were roughly 4500 people who attended and speakers ranged from the chief rabbi, a holocaust survivor to an ex radicalised Islamist who now works to try and turn around those who have been radicalised.

I wish there hadn't been the need for this rally, but the amount of antisemitic attacks happening currently is frightening.

Anti semitism is spiking in part because of the gaza situation. It has allowed those with anti Semitic views to use that as an excuse to vent their prejudice.

It has to stop. It is dangerous and an ominous sign for all of society - not just the Jews.

sticks2 · 02/09/2014 11:32

Unfortunately what recently happened in Gaza gave an excuse for the outlet of anti-Jewish feeling in the UK and Europe. In the area I live, during the last month there were more antisemitic incidents in one week than in the past two years. Now Jewish schools and synagogues are having to organise security. It's frightening. I remember my brother running home from school to escape the boys who had chalked a swastika on the back of his blazer. I hope we don't go back to those days. So many people are ignorant though.

specialsubject · 02/09/2014 12:53

unsurprisingly it was ignored by mainstream media. As is the information emerging from journalists who are no longer in Gaza and hence able to speak freely.

but this produces uncomfortable information such as the fact that Hamas DO put missiles besides schools and hospitals.

whataboutbob · 02/09/2014 12:59

Where was the rally? I din't know about it, would have liked to go. I am not Jewish, but my grandfather was and he was lucky to survive WW2 (he was French).
As I have form for being controversial and getting flammed on mumnset, I'll carry on in that vein: what proportion of the attacks in the UK have been by Muslim heritage persons? Is that kind of data collected? I have barely ever heard a white UK person make antisemitic remarks (unlike my experience in France, where people are not shy of stereotyping jews). Admittedly, I probably don't move in the kind of circles where people would denigrate Jews. I agree it needs wider discussion and action before the situation gets worse.

Greengrow · 02/09/2014 13:43

It's appalling. Also there have been about 400+ anti Muslim attacks in the UK in the last 8 months so about on a par with anti semitism. Both are awful.
As of course are the much much greater numbers of attacks on women and most of the main religions are rather sexist which does not help.

MehsMum · 02/09/2014 13:58

whataboutbob, hate to tell you that there are plenty of white anti-semites about: not a vast number, but some. DH was in the pub a while ago and someone made an anti-semitic remark and he was so stunned he couldn't think of a reply (not like him, he's usually pretty quick on the draw).

I felt that quite a bit of the discussion around Gaza bordered on the anti-semitic, and that won't have helped the current situation.

specialsubject, can you point me at any articles by journalists who have now left Gaza?

TheDeathOfRats · 02/09/2014 14:03

I think there is a general increase in hate crime/hate attacks? Does anyone know any statistics about homophobic attacks? I wonder if that has also increased.

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Greengrow · 02/09/2014 14:53

Certainly the major religions are not too keen on gays either. The sooner we complete the conversion of England to atheism the better. Now more people don't believe in God than do and most Jews marry out so the time is fast coming and it cannot come soon enough. This is not to say I would stop anyone believing in any invented Gods they choose. We should be kind to each other except when a religion or belief stops the progress of women and the rights of gays etc.

whataboutbob · 02/09/2014 16:11

OK thanks guys, just because I haven't met any white antisemites doesn't mean they don't exist I guess. It is worrying.

MehsMum · 02/09/2014 16:58

Aw, Greengrow, let's not turn this into a let's-bash-religion thread. Our rector knew perfectly well that her last groundsman was as gay as bunting: religion doesn't have to be anti-woman or anti-gay.

TheDeathOfRats · 02/09/2014 17:51

Religion is what you make of it, imo. My cousin and her wife have been fully supported, included and treasured the way any other couple or person would be, as Liberals. And supporting same sex marriage and rights are formally supported by liberal and Reform Jews for example, in a way it isn't in other religions. But that's beside the point. Religion forms a rallying point around which many horrible people can oppress, kill, brainwash and discriminate against people. Religion is used to excuse and justify many, many horrible things. I see it as religion being a way people interpret the universe and their own feelings about life- and what life means - just like science does for the physical things, religion is a kind of emotional science as you work out why you think x is a good or bad thing, why you feel connected to this person or that idea.

People who are religious and do horrible things- eg, IS - would probably do horrible things if they were Christian, if they were Hindu, if they were atheist. I don't believe that ordinary, good people can be brainwashed enough as adults (different if they were raised in a family with those beliefs- but loads of stories have come pouring out, showing that many of the Britons fighting came from liberal, ordinary families, some of which weren't even Muslim) to do those things.

I think religion can be USED as a convenient way to hold power over people. It probably draws in a lot of power hungry people, you could say the same about Parliament. But that isn't, imo, a fault with religion itself, although it could well be to do with certain groups who practice- like saying 'BNP, National Front, UKIP, Respect' and saying political parties in the UK are wrong or violent or whatever. Religion provides comfort, hope and connection to people. It is entirely natural to have some sort of faith, not necessarily religious.

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MehsMum · 02/09/2014 19:34

Grengrow, I can see where you are coming from and I won't deny that all sorts of terrible things have been done in the name of religion.

However, there are many ways of holding power over people, and atheist regimes do not exactly have a good record in that regard. Remember Stalin? In your final para you do seem to say that politics can also be a control mechanism.

I think that the problem isn't religion or atheism or people speaking different languages or being different colours: it's human nature. Some people just aren't terribly pleasant (to put it mildly) and if they are convincing or charismatic and a touch a chord in their audience, otherwise decent people end up doing the most terrible things. Religion can be - and often is - a force for good.

MehsMum · 02/09/2014 19:35

Agh, Greengrow, that should be.

Greengrow · 02/09/2014 20:43

Yes, tolerance which can be something atheists have of course, not just religious people, is very important.
I have been a bit concerned there is more in the press about the rise of anti semitism than the rise of attacks on Muslims. I feel the reporting is skewed. However both concern me as do the many many more attacks there are on women than those who are religious. But that is women attacking men in the main so much more tolerated in most cultures than the other antis sadly. We are only women the sub species etc.

Didadida · 02/09/2014 23:12

MehsMum - really good (but very long) article here:

www.forbes.com/sites/richardbehar/2014/08/21/the-media-intifada-bad-math-ugly-truths-about-new-york-times-in-israel-hamas-war/

which gives painstaking details of the many journalists who have revealed (sometimes accidentally) Hamas' use of human shields, intimidation of journalists, and re-writing of the 'story' in Gaza.

It's a fascinating article and highly recommended.

MehsMum · 03/09/2014 11:40

Dida, thank you: a very interesting (if slightly chaotic!) read.

prh47bridge · 03/09/2014 12:08

I wondered why it is being largely ignored by the media

A lot of people behaving peacefully has limited TV appeal. There isn't much to film. A march where there is an outbreak of violence is far more likely to get coverage. Peaceful protests generally only get airtime if it is a slow news day and the march is huge (100,000+) or the protest can be linked to other newsworthy events on the same day (e.g. teachers go on strike and hold a protest march).

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