Israel steals more Palestinian land

[PigletJohn]

As expected, Israel continues the policy of ethnic cleansing by dispossessing more Arabs in the Occupied Territories.

This is a continuation of Israel's racist policies.

a report

and watch until at least 12.30

You may not be able to bring yourself to watch more.

Erm how else did the right of return issue for the palestinians come about..? Their villages were razed to the ground they were killed or forced to flee. Those villages are now bustling settlement town and cities in israel.. Some with israeli names.. others the original names. Whilst thise refugees are squeesed in refugee camps in gaza westbank amd surrounding areas.

Theres not one set way to commit ethnic cleansing or genocide.

Theres not only one ser way of

Isn't it a rule of internet debates that the debate/discussion is brought to the point of no return and is dead in the water at the first reference to Nazism?

nope. That rule is quite daft and pretty much self inflicted with the idea that nothing is comparable to a genocide/ethnic cleansing when infact several have occurred or ongoing in our lifetime. It is absurd to get upset over its use.

The words Nazi or holocaust was only mentioned by a pro israeli poster shakshuka.. But even then the term holocaust is not an exculsive term for the jews... Not only because out of the 11 millions killed in the holocaust; 5 million were non jews..but also because it has occured many times in history way before the nazi..

So it can definately happen again and it may well do. Theres no excuse for being up in arms over the slight mention... Esp considering the holocaust comitted by the nazis did not happen overnight. It was a sustained and well planned effort over the years...and anyone with an open mind can see the paralells emerging and if not stopped pretty soon will be well on its way down the same route.

Learn from history. anyone with GENUINE sympathy for the holocaust victims would proudly stand with the palestinians today.. As many holocaust survivers and thier decendents have around the world!

Oh, were the 'Final Solution' not alluding to the Final Solution of the Nazis then Maami?

Because why did you find it so chilling if not?

Talk about disingenuous!

Maybe if the Palestinians had accepted the UN partition plan in 1947, there would have been no war and no 'ethnic cleansing'. Who knows? But just like they rejected Camp David and Annapolis, they also rejected this opportunity for a state.

Yet again, rejectionism brought disaster on the Palestinian people. Talk about history repeating himself.

Btw, holocaust survivors and their descendants (including my dh) have a wide range of political views, just like everyone else!

"Maybe if the Palestinians had accepted the UN partition plan in 1947, there would have been no war and no 'ethnic cleansing'"

But why would they?

Yes shakshuka.. Any excuse to commit genocide eh..?

The justifications for genocide just keep coming.. Yet mention the similarities to the holocaust and watch the steam coming out of the ears.

Hum ho

The question should be is the object to get all your land back from the creation of Israel as per Hamas's Charter, or negotiate a peace/solution along the lines of the 2003 Geneva Accord???

The Palestinian people democratically voted in 2006 for the former, so when do people expect peace with that objective and the Hamas approach?

The Palestinians clearly have been hard done by, but they currently have chose to be represented by Jihadists that will never be able to achieve a peaceful settlement with Israel - or get overt support for the Palestinian people via western governments who had already designated the Palestinian/Hamas government as Terrorists - and whose tolerance of Islamic Jihadi causes/methods is getting more than strained.

How can any western government believing that they and their own citizens are at threat from a Sunni Islamic Jihadist ISIS trying to establish a State thousands of miles away, seriously tell Israel that they need to allow similar onto, or further inside, their borders???

For an Israeli, now with the Sunni Islamic Jihadists ISIS up at the Golan Heights border, what is the difference to them of the aims/methods of Sunni Islamic Jihadist Hamas???

I know some people refuse to reconcile that the Palestinian election of Hamas was a 'game changer', but it was, and ISIS has made a problem that needs Israel's cooperation to cede land and put their citizens more at risk, currently impossible - and no doubt reflected in most film clips people show. IMO

No the question is why is israel stealing palestinian land and wiping it off the map..? Israel simply has no interest in peace... Another facade.. Just like it calls itself a democracy.

The western gov have no interest in supporting the victims of ethnic cleansing.. I have no such expectations from them either. It is up to us the public to stand on the right side of history by boycottinh& divesting israeli goods... Inorder to take a moral stance and hit them where it hurts. The bds movement has seen some huge successes recently.. And long may it continue.

There is no genocide. That's why the analogy is inappropriate.

And Israel is most certainly a democracy. An imperfect one but pretty good and certainly the best in the region.

Are you als boycotting Russia for its gencoide of the Chechen people?

And China for its gencoide of the Tibetan people?

And i do hope you are FULLY implementing your boycott of Israel, not just where its convenient for you. Do make sure any medicine or medical equipmebt, and computer apps, hardware or software are not of israeli origin. Those are the high value exports, the rest is peanuts. You may find it a little bit more challenging than not buying Jaffa oranges.

maami ... the Palestinian/Israeli 2003 Geneva Accord, a roadmap to peace.

The resulting Israeli pullout of all several thousand of its own citizen settlers BY FORCE, followed by the Palestinian election in 2006 that threw out the then Fatah government and decisively elected a previously small Jihadi Hamas on around 78% of the votes.

Tell me AGAIN who has no interest in peace that went out on a limb THIS century and who categorically rejected the 2003 Geneva Accord via their ballot box????

You asked why would the Palestinians accept the partition plan in 1947?

Well, with hindsight, it would have been the smart thing to do. The Jewish yishuv did accept it. They didnt like it but the priority was to build a state.

The reason the Palestinians didnt accept it was because they thought they'd win! They thought they'd get the whole thing. Unfortunately for them they were wrong. And yet they keep repeating the same mistakes.

I'm boycotting the Sunni Jihadist Hamas, I wouldn't be seen dead firing one of their main missile exports to israel - but I wonder how long it will be before Sunni Jihadist ISIS and KNOWN to have Hamas made/supplied missiles?

....'ARE known to have ....D'oh.

Isitme

I agree with a lot of what you say.

Israel, as an entity, has often had governments who have pursued peace which is why i think the demonization of Israel is unfair,

However I dont see any desire for peace (well, not one that involves ccompromises) with Netanyahu. He pays lip service to the two state solution but his actions undermine it and the peace process.

Hamas and Netanyahu are mutually reonforcing each other. Hamas' actions push Israelis to the rright and into Netanyahu's arms. Netanyahu seems bent on undermining Abu Mazen and other Palestinian moderates and pushing palestinians towards Hamas! Very depressing all around.

Shakshuka .... I understand what you are saying, I just think that there was a 'flicker' of hope from 'good men' on both sides prior to 2006, that has been snuffed out for decades to come - as Palestinians won't vote for moderates and no Israeli government can/will trust the Palestinians who vote for Hamas-esk solutions.

I got involved on here a while back after the 5,000th post as it looked too one sided, when there was another political (not casualty) view TO CONSIDER.

FYI I had spent 10-years (before the Iraq invasion of Kuwait) traveling the Gulf for work purposes and from those business/social contacts felt closer to the Arabs than Israelis in times other than war - but Hamas was a game changer and I offer my opinion of what it would mean to me as an Israeli government/southern citizen.

I'll get back in my box now. lol

Isitme

Agree completely about the one sidedness and unfairness.

Of course there are legitimate israeli concerns. No one side has the moral high ground.

You did a good job - it's not easy with the amount of vitriol and nastiness by people who are so convinced of their own morality tthat they can't accept a diifferent perspective!

I would highly reccomend you guys watch the miko peled vidio posted by piglet.

Its very ironic that both your justifications for israels treatment and oppression is akin to a nazi sympathiser against jewish oppression. It is testimony to the strong propaganda back then that made people stand by and allow it to happen...the fact that you try to blame the victims for israels oppression is shocking but very telling all the same. History is simply repeating itself.. It often does.

There is simply no defense for land theft oppression mass killing and destruction. It is morally indefensible; regardless.. There is nothing complicated or nuanced about it.. And to pretend that it does reflects on ones own morality as oppose to anything else. And that goes with supporting any oppresser.. Be it china russia arab dictaters; america...aliens! Whoever!

No answer then as to why the Palestinians have rejected the two state solution time and time again. Just a lecture on your own morality, must be very nice to be so extreme that you can't see the other side.

I know you dont see nuance or complexity, that's why you're an Israel hater.

Palestinian denialism is not a justification for anything, it is simply a fact as is the fact that Israel has offered land for peace many tines. The ones who lost out the most from Palestinian extremism are the Palestinians. They could have had a state by now. .,

The israelis havent offered anything though have they.. Did you watch miko peled video..?

You are right; when it comes to oppression; i stand with the oppressed. i do not sit around trying to find excuses for the crimes and then blame the oppressed. Oppression is oppression....is oppression! Be it china bahrain or israel!! I detest what they are All doing.. You cant just support one and detest another...

It's going round in circles. At Camp David and Annapolis the Palestinians were offered nearly all the WB (with land swaps for the big settlement blocs) plus Gaza plus a whole load of other things. Hundreds of millions of dollars was meant to go as compensation to refugees. Agreements over Jerusalem, refugees, statehood.

Don't like Ross or Clinton, how about Condoleeza Rice and Annapolis?

She said Olmert offered the Palestinians the best deal.

Sure, stand with the oppressed. But sometimes the oppressed mess up big time. And sometimes the oppressed do pretty awful things to others and themselves It's not all Israel's fault. But if your world view is black and white you wont see that.

All those Palestinian olive tree farmers are set to have their lands and trees stolen by Israelis. They will become destitute. And Israel calls itself a 'democracy'......

Shakshuka: you may not like the parallels being made between the Nazi treatment of Jews in WW2 and the current Israeli govt treatment of Palestinians, but I'm afraid those parallels are alive and kicking and staring you in the face. What is the point of dragging up peace accords which were rejected some 15/20 years ago? these massive land grabs are happening RIGHT NOW. The so called Palestinian territories are forcibly being taken, bit by bit by bit.......Gazans walled up in a blockaded, deprived hell hole akin to a ghetto.

It goes on and on and on........

Plenty things happen in Israel/Palestine which are wrong but nothing approaching the atrocities
of nazi occupied Europe.

Its not coincidence that Israel is Jewish. I see no desperate need to apply these analogies to other conflicts,

You're either ignorant of the horrors of Nazism, exaggerating the situation in Palestine or have an agenda for using such terminology in my opinion.