Little boy has been removed from hospital by his parents

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He is very sick, needs constant treatment. His parents have taken him to France.

I don't understand why the hospital didn't notice or alert the police for 6 hours.

The police won't comment on the parents being Jehovah's Witnesses.

It sounds wrong when the statement said he was removed without consent. The child is theirs, should be allowed to be in charge of him, but of course it is he that will lose his life if not cared for and that isn't in his best interests necessarily.

I hope he is found and can be cured.

Oh wow. Click through to the court order!!!

Not just as SGH said for him to go to nearest hospital. Do read!!

Thanks that is a helpful link.

Wow - really interesting reading the live tweets of the court hearing from Ian Woods; some selected (but representative!) highlights are:

Tweet: It seems much of the information being discussed is what lawyers have gleaned from media reports

{Surely the facts would be preferable?? }

Tweet: Council lawyer says information is that #AshyaKing is stable and that the treatment he requires which should start is chemotherapy followed by radiotherapy. She calls it the gold standard treatment and the start date should be Thursday.

{Could this timescale be why they ran? They needed more time to clear the funds?}

Tweet: Judge. If money was available to fly #AshyaKing to Prague would the hospital object? Probably not is the reply.

Tweet: Hospital lawyer agrees with judge what parents are asking is not unreasonable but they cannot offer proton treatment.

{The Judge then says that he wants to see the parent's proposals and wants them to be involved before making any further decisions and adjourns until Monday - it is at this point that the hospital lawyer again tries to change the course of events by casting doubt on the family's ability to fund treatment}

Tweet: Hospital lawyer. Clarity is needed on whether parents can fund the proton beam treatment.

{Hasn't a cancer charity offered to fund the treatment, then you have the fundraising as well?}

The order makes it clear that it was the medics who were providing the information that this child was at risk of significant harm.
www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/king.pdf

Good for Baker J - he gets right to it.
Judge. Whatever rights and wrongs of treatment and other issues I am concerned that he is still separated from his parents. #AshyaKing

The CPS statement about the withdrawal of the arrest warrant is also interesting reading. Definitely sounds like the medics over egged the pudding. The question remains - why?
blog.cps.gov.uk/2014/09/cps-stops-proceedings-in-relation-to-brett-and-naghmeh-king.html

Does this order again show the lies spewed out by the police/SGH as I'm sure that they said the court order ONLY provides for him to present at nearest hospital? This is surely not the spirit of this order?

The order on 29th August seems very clearly directed at parents who are considered to be putting child's health at risk - take child to nearest hospital and then it will be for hospital to decide when it is safe to return him to England.

spero I honestly think the why comes back to the religion thing. Otherwise why mention it. there has to be a reason for them to make that statement to the press.

Remember on that first statement by the police - it had the information that THEY wanted the public to believe - re: feeding tubes, batteries, religion etc.

The Czech Proton Treatment Centre said earlier they would treat Ashya first and let his parents organise finance later.
So, they don't need to wait for money.

Various charities have said they will fund the treatment. Saw that on the fb page.

potbellyroast - o yes, that suckered me in for the first five minutes. What else do you expect from these religious weirdos! I thought.

It was deliberate, dishonest manipulation from the word go. And a terminally ill five year old has had 72 hours plus alone in a hospital far from home. Does he even understand Spanish?

There is a doctor named in the order of the 29th who gave information to the court. I do hope his insurance is all in order. I hope these parents have a very good clinical negligence lawyer.

Did me too spero then gave myself a bit of time to think it through as it seemed the parents were looking for what best for Ashya - which is often not what is portrayed with jw.

Choc, Potbelly - that's what I thought, so why is the hospital's lawyer still making arguments that are completely irrelevant?

sorry that was re payment for treatment!

Well before they even mentioned the JW thing, I put two and two together when I heard 'alternative therapy' and misheard it as proton bean therapy.

Immediate images of the sandwich boarded vegan of Oxford Circus sprung to mind.

bean therapy

Spero. thanks for the links to the court papers. SGH has just put out yet another statement They are now saying that PBT would have made no difference in survival than standard radiotherapy therefore no benefit in going for PBT

Makes you wonder if JWs are the religious weirdos we all think they are?
These events are unique in that for the first time ever social media has allowed us to see them at first hand, reacting to what may well be a regular hospital response to them.
This family certainly don't seem to be anti healthcare, anti hospital, religious mutters, happy to martyr their children!
But isn't that what we've always been led to believe.

I think the hospital need to remember the old adage - when in a hole, stop digging. One of their representatives has given evidence to the high court that this child was at risk of significant harm. That has set in motion international legal machinery at great expense and almost certainly caused significant harm to this little boy by depriving him of his parents.

I feel very ashamed of my knee jerk reaction to dismiss these parents because they were JW. But that is exactly the reaction the hospital were hoping for. Cruel idiots.

I think this latest SGH statement is just them trying to publicise the reasons they were concerned. The hospital is adamant it discussed PBT.

So SGH appears to be saying that both treatments were equally effective therefore PBT could not be warranted.

Meanwhile we've had a host of specialists on the TV telling us that PBT is less damaging.

This "gold standard" terminology seems to be pervasive in the NHS. My own doctors frequently use it.

I see no conspiracy here - just an unwillingness by the Trust to find this treatment. What I think happened was they would agree to parents funding it but, as the funds would take the parents time to realise, the hospital said they would go ahead and use conventicle treatment. That would have been unacceptable to the parents as they believe it would have caused unnecessary and irreparable damage.

If this child does return to the UK it should be to a different NHS hospital and under the care of a different oncology team I feel that SGH should play no further part in this as trust has broken down irretrievably

There may be no difference in survival - think the parents accept that - but there may be a difference in terms of long term side-effects, that proton therapy should destroy fewer healthy cells.

Agree with Spero that when you're in a hole, stop digging. The statement
comes across as slightly desperate/ "why won't you all listen to meeeee????"

Great post, Wet.

I don't think there was a 'conspiracy' in the sense that people actually sat down and worked out a plan how to shaft these parents.

but there seems to have been a rather spiteful and deliberate attempt to paint the worst possible picture at the earliest opportunity which has involved misleading the police, the CPS and the judiciary.