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Little boy has been removed from hospital by his parents

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Itsfab · 29/08/2014 13:42

He is very sick, needs constant treatment. His parents have taken him to France.

I don't understand why the hospital didn't notice or alert the police for 6 hours.

The police won't comment on the parents being Jehovah's Witnesses.

It sounds wrong when the statement said he was removed without consent. The child is theirs, should be allowed to be in charge of him, but of course it is he that will lose his life if not cared for and that isn't in his best interests necessarily.

I hope he is found and can be cured.

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MerryMarigold · 02/09/2014 11:47

Icimoi, you can charge your phone in a car. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. You can stop and use electrical supplies at hotels. There are options but they didn't want to present the options. And is it possible to do it manually with a syringe, I don't know.

Then, when it was proved Ashya was fine, perhaps if the hospital said, "We're really sorry we unduly alarmed the police but we didn't think the family had other options to feed him. We're glad he's safe and well." We will be proceeding to revert the High Court Order etc. etc. Maybe this wouldn't have got out of hand.

No-one is saying where they went wrong and no-one is willing to backtrack. That is why I said this is an issue of pride and fear.

TroelsNextCampaignManager · 02/09/2014 11:49

ici - the family were allowed to take Ashya out of hospital for lengthy periods as part of his rehabilitation. And whether on the ward or out and about, they knew the family knew how to operate the machine. They also knew it could be run without the battery - in fact iirc one of the consultants initially interviewed grudgingly accepted that - but the media were encouraged to focus on the "time running out" line. Bottom line is the doctors likely suspected/knew the family were feeding Ashya correctly.

MerryMarigold · 02/09/2014 11:49

Fanjo, that's a really silly comment to make. I was not aware of proton beam therapy till this week (didn't follow the other case at all). But sure as hell, if my child had a brain tumour, I would be aware of it very quickly!

DuelingFanjo · 02/09/2014 11:50

"But sure as hell, if my child had a brain tumour, I would be aware of it very quickly!"

like sally Roberts was.

KneeQuestion · 02/09/2014 11:55

And is it possible to do it manually with a syringe, I don't know

Yes it is. Which is something the hospital would have been well aware of.

MerryMarigold · 02/09/2014 11:55

Can't comment on Sally Roberts at all. Did she get slated on here?

GimmeMySquash · 02/09/2014 11:55

Sally Roberts is getting slated in the new AIBU thread.

LatinForTelly · 02/09/2014 11:56

YY, the battery for that pump used to last me 2 days feeding a similarly aged child, and yes, you can also do it manually with a large syringe, directly into the NG tube. There's been lots of discussion up there ^^ about the feeding thing being totally misleading.

Agree with what you're saying MerryMarigold.

Hakluyt · 02/09/2014 11:59

Sally Roberts went to court over oxygen therapy and various other alternative treatments. At no point in the court case did she mention Photon Beam therapy. It was in the public domain- she most certainly should/would have known about it. I suspect it was too "conventional medicine" for her at the time.

MerryMarigold · 02/09/2014 12:03

What I also find strange is that the hospital would have known his parents very well. They would have known his mother spent day and night with him in hospital. They would have known his father was fighting for an alternative treatment. They would have known they were intelligent, loving (if high maintenance to doctors) people. I just don't understand why it would have occurred to the hospital doctors that they were going to let him starve...

BlackSwan · 02/09/2014 12:05

Icimoi, you are being blinkered. I don't really understand what your point is.

BlackSwan · 02/09/2014 12:07

Hakluyt. I think you mean proton. Photon is conventional radiation. Stereotactic.

TroelsNextCampaignManager · 02/09/2014 12:18

Merry I had just written and lost a post saying exactly that.

Also - if it is correct that Ashya had his surgery over a month ago, not a week ago, why is that error still being repeated?? Confused

MerryMarigold · 02/09/2014 12:23

Troels Smile. I hate it when I lose a long post though Angry.

Let's see what today brings. Though it is lunchtime already...any news?

GimmeMySquash · 02/09/2014 12:27

In a further twist, lawyers said Ashya could have dual nationality because he was born in Spain. As a result, the authorities may regard him as Spanish and refuse to allow him to be returned to Britain against the wishes of his parents.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2740170/Did-police-break-law-ordering-arrest-anguished-parents.html#ixzz3C9mH6yZ1

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Greengrow · 02/09/2014 12:32

Good. Let us hope Spain comes up trumps.

TroelsNextCampaignManager · 02/09/2014 12:33

Court review at 2:30 Merry.

An extradition lawyer on BBC News just said that even if they drop the EAW they may need a hearing in Spain before the Kings can be released. Interestingly, she said that a) a more appropriate course of action would have been for the local force to ask their Spanish counterparts to speak with the parents to ensure Ashya was safe (which a lot of us have said here) and b) that the police would have known the exact consequences of the EAW - ie that the parents would be arrested and so separated from their sick child.

So all in all, confirmation that the response was completely heart-hearted and OTT.

TroelsNextCampaignManager · 02/09/2014 12:35

Oh - and therefore NOT in the best interests of the child...

TroelsNextCampaignManager · 02/09/2014 12:39

Sorry should also clarify - the court hearing is about wardship, not about EAW.

KneeQuestion · 02/09/2014 12:41

Also - if it is correct that Ashya had his surgery over a month ago, not a week ago, why is that error still being repeated??

It does seem odd doesn't it.

Video here, posted by Naveed King on youtube on 28th july, he is visiting Ashya after his surgery.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBTrZ7ULf3A

GimmeMySquash · 02/09/2014 12:44

That was no accident that Liverpool Police spokesman was no longer required to speak to the press, he appeared to lack a heart, refusing to apologise and choosing to go as heavy handed as he could. I have seen this with the police myself. They took objection to the nationality of someone in a RTA and discussed infront of me victim how they were going to get the driver on everything they could. Other times we have been victims of crime they do sod all.

MerryMarigold · 02/09/2014 12:45

The fault of the UK, really, for sure. I hope no-one is scape-goated, and that ALL those at fault will accept responsibility.

I hope Spain can sort this out quickly and there is not too much bureaucracy once all these wheels have been set in motion.

There is such a lack of compassion in this case it's jaw dropping (but not surprising judging by some of the doctors I've had the pleasure of meeting and being related to).

I'm interested in the politicians speaking out, particularly Nick Clegg. Would he have party to more information, if there were underlying reasons for this happening, or is there actually nothing more about the parents than what we know?

mummylin2495 · 02/09/2014 12:48

It's quite possible that the little boy has had more than one operation. A friends son was in that hospital in the same situation and he had about 5 ops in quite a short time. Sadly he didnt make it.

TroelsNextCampaignManager · 02/09/2014 12:50

Portsmouth Council has asked the CPS to stop extradition proceedings and the hospital has launched an internal inquiry.

TroelsNextCampaignManager · 02/09/2014 12:54

mummylin - so sorry to hear that, it is heartbreaking and I hope your friends are getting all the support they need now and in the future.

I do wonder if that played a part in what has happened? It is an added but unavoidable stress being with your child in hospital, desperately hoping for the best, and all the while being aware of those around you who are not so lucky.