Little boy has been removed from hospital by his parents

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He is very sick, needs constant treatment. His parents have taken him to France.

I don't understand why the hospital didn't notice or alert the police for 6 hours.

The police won't comment on the parents being Jehovah's Witnesses.

It sounds wrong when the statement said he was removed without consent. The child is theirs, should be allowed to be in charge of him, but of course it is he that will lose his life if not cared for and that isn't in his best interests necessarily.

I hope he is found and can be cured.

Not nice at all MrsDeVere, my heart goes out to you. Too many raw things happening all at once that get under your skin and weigh down on you. I can empathize.

Do guard your heart a little bit, listen to your disquiet and tend to yourself a but too, so you can carry on being the wonderful strong woman at the centre of your family

Please don't, holey- it's a completely different case.

I am finding this really disturbing, how can it be in this child's best interests to be separated from his parents? Surely barring allegations of serious abuse, which nobody has made, it is obviously inhumane to do this, whatever the differences and disputes between hospital and parents? Why has nobody sorted this out?

It is deeply disturbing. Rereading the bbc article which says the crown prosecution service said yesterday that they have insufficient evidence to charge them with an offence. So if they can't charge them why are they being held on a extradition request?

They authorities in the uk however had now gone so far that they almost have to carry on going. Sure the NHS will muster up something to charge them with. It's complete bs, that you can be held and extradited without charge. As someone said further down the thread cock up and cover up.

The uk police who went over to 'investigate' haven't even spoken to them yet... Can someone clarify what they are doing there then? Presumably the money they are spending on food/accommodation is from the tax payers purse. Thanks for that, that'll be my wages wisely spent then

Those poor parents must be desperate now.

Hakluyt, actually it's not that different. Read further up the thread for an explanation.

Wish I was on twitter, but I'm not. Maybe that needs to change today.

Yet another missive in The Guardian about over-involved parents. So insulting. If you have ever spent time in paediatric intensive care or even a standard paediatric care ward you will know exactly why it's so important for a relative to be there with that poor child. And if you have ever had to fight with doctors to get the right diagnosis and treatment for your child you can't help but think there but for the grace of god go I.

I've been a Guardian reader for 30 years but my money will be going elsewhere for the forseeable future.

MNTowers - you have "connections" there - care to educate them when you're next quaffing a bottle at the works party?

winner I mentioned this upthread - the police say they are there to work on the technical aspects of the warrant (trying to figure out how to make it legal when it so patently isn't).

If John Hemming is going to speak about this issue during his econference with Ian and Brian, it will be posted on Wednesday afternoon here

Oh, please, no. The last thing anyone needs is for those idiots to jump on the bandwaggon to try to hijack this for their own agenda.

The involvement of JH and his gang is, in my opinion, a massive part of the problem. Their involement allows a lot of influential people to just roll their eyes and write off anything they support as just more conspiraloon nonsense.

Which is a shame because this case certainly indicates a need for investigation about what on earth is going on when the police can be so easily set against a family in these circumstances.

It is one of the saddest things for me, that vulnerable families have no better champion.

JH must be rubbing his hands with glee. Sadly.

www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/01/ashya-king-breakdown-trust-family Here's an irritating commentary in the Guardian, where the health editor has clearly drank the NHS cool-aid. "Doctors do not think this [proton beam therapy] is the best option for Ashya." No Sarah, Doctors don't think it is the best option for them. They are saving their proton pounds to spend on other children, with different tumours, different cancers and different chances. The difference is hardly subtle, perhaps you can see it.

BlackSwan those are the same pieces I have been complaining about, too - they very much reflect the words of one of the heads of the hospital who has been interviewed by broadcast media.

I noticed a change in some of the broadcast wording as well, last night - that the parents were going against medical advice - parroting the hospital line. Haven't the media learned to be a little more questioning after the feeding machine debacle?

Wonder how much the hospital is splashing on a crisis communications consultant? That isn't cheap.

If the NHS doesn't rate Proton beam therapy, why are they ready to buy the new generation units in a few years time? Could it be because it works?

They do rate proton beam therapy- patients have been sent abroad by the NHS to have the treatment. Ashya's doctors do not think it's appropriate for him.

I would be literally going out of my mind if someone kept me from my child while they were in hospital. If my child has so much as his blood pressure taken he NEEDS me to be with him. That's not indulgent, it's necessary. Seriously, what psychological damage could poor Ashya be incurring here. Any child would feel abandoned, particularly one who cannot communicate well as a result of his illness.

Hak but it's a postcode lottery as to whether an oncologist recommends a patient for treatment for a particular type of cancer. If Ashya had been with a different oncologist in a different hospital in a different trust, he may well have been recommended for treatment - but the hospital will never admit that because it once again throws up the arguments around healthcare being a postcode lottery.

Also - there already IS a unit here in the UK, but it only treats eye problems. Similarly, proton treatment is used a lot in the US for prostate cancer, but when the UK units are opened in 2018 they won't be used for that particular condition. The irony is they will be targeted more at children like Ashya.

I know, BlackSwan, I have been wondering about the psychological damage to all of them, but particularly Ashya. This is really traumatic emotionally and I think that's partly why it's captured the public's attention.

This Morning tweeted they had a family friend on. The guy was someone the family kind of knew in hospital the past few weeks.

He made a point about the feeding and how you can go to the chemist and buy a syringe. Holly and Philip didn't seem to note the relevance of this.

The social worker kept saying there will be more to this defending her colleagues saying it was in the best interests of the child and not protocol like a robot. In the end when continually pressed she admitted if there was not more to it, it was barbaric.

I do think the proton therapy is a major red herring. Even if the chances of it working are 0.1%, wouldn't you want it for your child, and be willing to pay for it yourselves?

The point is:
a. The hospital did not co-operate in sending through Ashya's MRI scans to the Czech hospital and anything else that was requested by the parents to proceed with this.
b. The drama they created by mis-briefing the police, has now caused Ashya to be isolated from his parents and siblings.

I haven't heard them addressing either of these 2 issues.

Just watched an interview on TM with a social worker who has been on before and she always sides with SS and tries to make herself sound like she knows more than anyone else about procedures and that we are all too thick to know what is going on. I really do not like her.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29026266

Why can the powers that be not see that the damage they are inflicting on this family is horrific, and totally unnecessary? To not allow the siblings to visit Ashya in hospital is nothing short of barbaric. He is desperately ill and has NO ONE known to him to comfort him. Whether there is more to this case or not, the best interests of the child are to have his parents with him. I hope the family have some decent legal representation.

Interesting the CPS have found no grounds to prosecute (therefore presumably the extradition fails).

The point is not that where you live and which doctor you have in the NHS decides what treatment you get - that has always been the case and worth putting up with for a "free" NHS. The point is that if a parent disagrees with doctors and is even ready to pay for alternative treatment in an area like this where we know radiotherapy gives many children brain damage and a low IQ and proton beams zap the bit of the brain affected only and the parent is prepared to pay then even if there is more risk the cancer will return without the radiotherapy the parent in my view should be allowed to make the choice. I do not put this in the same category as an obviously life or death situation. It is within the realms of a parent being reasonable particularly as the father says on his video the NHS itself is building a proton beam unit in Birmingham which will be ready in 2 years so it's not as if he is suggesting holy oils rather than life saving stuff.

Last night it was reported that a brother had been allowed to see him. Is that not the case.