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Nine year-old kills instructor with Uzi

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 27/08/2014 16:38

Article The baffling US love-affair with guns claims more victims.

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Letthemtalk · 27/08/2014 16:41

Poor poor kid. Shocking

chockbic · 27/08/2014 16:41

They are big on hunting in the States. Where a lot of the attraction for guns comes from.

Such a scary place to live.

rootypig · 27/08/2014 16:54

I was in a US social security office yesterday (just moved here). Government place, long line, take a number, have your bag searched and be waved down with a weapons detector as standard. I got involved in a conversation with an American man sitting next to me, who was interested in differences with the UK system. In his 40s, I would guess he was gay, he had lived in LA for more than a decade. So, old enough to be informed, plenty of access to alternative news, a good chance if not heterosexual he's outside the right wing proscribed mainstream.

I commented that we wouldn't have security searches at our job centres (the closest equivalent). His response - we had a little thing called the Twin Towers. I mildly explained that after a shocking school shooting in Scotland in the 90s, our government had a quick and decisive hand gun amnesty and they are now not at large among the general population. Reminded him about the IRA's campaign in the UK, among other terrorist attacks.

My point being, the average person here is just so ill informed and afraid. 9/11 has entered cultural folklore as the unthinking justification for many cultural phenomena that pre date it by decades. How ironic that their solution to problems - real and perceived - to be armed, is what is actually killing people in their droves.

BinarySolo · 28/08/2014 09:19

They may be big on hunting but that does explain the need for automatic weapons.

Really, just why?

Guns and burgers suggests that it's like taking the kids 10 pin bowling. Only it's not, is it?

That poor girl has got to live with having killed someone.

BinarySolo · 28/08/2014 09:19

*doesn't explain

hackmum · 28/08/2014 09:47

I really feel for that poor girl. Only nine years old, and she will have to live with that for the rest of her life.

I think it's one of those areas where the American mindset is completely incomprehensible to outsiders. I'm sure they feel frustrated by our inability to understand what to them is perfectly normal, but obviously it's only "normal" to them because it's such a deep-rooted part of their culture that it feels quite natural. I think rootypig's comment about people being afraid is spot on.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 28/08/2014 14:03

I think the fear in US culture also extends to their approach to law enforcement and public attitude to police. During the Ferguson riots I read an article by a British person living in the US. Her point was that in the UK we rather regard police officers as a generally benign, slightly dim-witted bunch in reflective jackets whereas in the US, if you see blue flashing lights in your rear view mirror, you pull over & avoid making any sudden moves that might earn you a bullet....

Must be strange living in a society with such a threatening undercurrent.

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rootypig · 28/08/2014 20:19

I have been complaining observing to DH since we got here that there is just an oppressive sense of the rules and power everywhere here. Ironic, for a country whose rhetoric is so obsessed with freedom. You cannot go anywhere without being told off (at the DMV yesterday, crouched on floor with toddler DD, harming but nobody, in acres of space, utterly quiet, I was told to move off a particular carpet and to find a chair - I mean, who cares? was a few minutes later told off for letting an interested DD sit on the counter as I held her. Again, a non issue to my mind.) and the officialese is out of control. It's this bizarre dichotomy. The best sense I can make of it is that all of this " freedom " (read: individualism) requires an extremely strong cage to hold it all in. As opposed to what I see at the ties or bonds of socialism. You pays your money and you takes your choice.

I hate it.

rootypig · 28/08/2014 20:22

Should have said, that all of the telling off is very threatening, yes, Cogito. And your point about the police is spot on. A few years back on an empty road American DH was pulled over for driving too slowly. Admittedly the muppet had failed to see the flashing police lights in his mirror for damn near two miles, which made everything worse. We were given the most aggressive, humiliating lecture, brought mercifully to a close by a call on his radio. Again, it was all just so unnecessary. The show of force that characterises America's behaviour internationally, its citizens have to put up with at home.

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