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Killed by benefits cuts: Starving soldier

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CFSKate · 28/07/2014 18:56

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/killed-benefits-cuts-starving-soldier-3923771

Diabetic David Clapson, 59, died with just £3.44 left in his account after his Jobseeker’s Allowance was axed because he missed an appointment

David once faced death on a daily basis as he served his country loyally in the terror hell of Northern Ireland.

And when he left the Army he went straight into the ­workplace with BT before becoming a full-time carer for his sick mother.

After she went into a home, diabetic David turned to the state for help while he looked for work.

But under the Coalition’s callous new benefits rules he had his £71.70 a week Jobseeker’s Allowance axed – merely because he missed an appointment with an adviser.

Stripped of his income, the 59-year-old could not afford food or electricity and died starving, ­penniless and alone at his home.

His death was from diabetic ­ketoacidosis – caused by not taking his insulin.

When David died he had just £3.44 to his name, six tea bags, a tin of soup and an out-of-date can of sardines. His electricity card was out of credit meaning the fridge where he should have kept his insulin chilled was not working.

A coroner also found he had no food in his stomach.

A pile of CVs for job applications were found near David’s body.

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edamsavestheday · 03/08/2014 14:48

Good grief. Horrendous. Hard to believe the job centre was aware of his diabetes - but apparently so. They left a diabetic without enough money for electricity to keep his fridge going so he could store his insulin? That's wicked. Truly wicked.

milkjetmum · 05/08/2014 18:33

Do benefit sanctions even work? I mean, are people who are sanctioned more likely to find work? How much money is being saved by sanctioning?

It just seems like kicking someone while they're down to me. It is shameful.

Do we really want to go down the USA route of fend for yourself? the stories of people having their water cut off in Detroit are shocking, but is that very much different to our key-meter users running out of credit?

WhistlingPot · 05/08/2014 19:17

I don't think so milkjet, I suspect it is aimed as a deterrent but can think of better ways.

Afaia, the dwp cannot stop dla as a sanction, so in some senses he should have had some money coming in. However, whether this is enough to manage on while being sanctioned, is anybody's guess, but of equal importance is that I believe it is not a well known fact. So when someone is threatened with do xyz or your benefits will stop, or told that their benefits have been sanctioned, it is very likely they will think that all of it has stopped.

If it isn't already, it would be a very interesting area of research.

PausingFlatly · 05/08/2014 19:46

I can't imagine he'd have been eligible for DLA - that's Disability Living Allowance towards the extra costs of being disabled and is only for people with specific mobility or care needs.

He probably wasn't even eligible for ESA (the old Incapacity Benefit), if his diabetes wouldn't prevent him from working.

But people who aren't severely disabled die if they don't have food and simple medical needs met, too.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 05/08/2014 19:54

Milk I don't think they're even designed to 'work' in that way. I think they're to express societies judgement of those 'skivvers and strivers' on benefits, and designed to show how much we think those unlucky enough to claim benefits are actually morally bankrupt irresponsible adults who need punishments and the 'stick' (vs carrot) treatment due to who they are... Not how effective the measures are.

"Do benefit sanctions even work? I mean, are people who are sanctioned more likely to find work? How much money is being saved by sanctioning?"

PausingFlatly · 05/08/2014 20:08

^^ What Misc said.

milkjetmum · 05/08/2014 22:07

Just done a quick bit of reading thought might be of interest...

swiss study of sanctions

Basically sanctions ARE effective at getting people back into work quicker BUT they are more likely to enter a lower-paid, less secure job than if they had not been sanctioned at all - so it's not even a cost-effective strategy let alone a moral one.

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 05/08/2014 22:34

The guardian did a very thorough article on this yesterday, which answers basically everyone's questions above:

www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/03/victims-britains-harsh-welfare-sanctions

"There was very little left to eat in the flat – six tea bags, an out-of-date tin of sardines and a can of tomato soup. His pay-as-you-go mobile phone had just 5p credit left on it and he had only £3.44 in his bank account[...](which he was unable to withdraw since it was less than £5)"

Someone said upthread, 'Mr Clapson had some food, some resources..' really? Hmm

No. His death is on all our hands. Either for supporting the benefits cuts, or for not kicking up enough of a fuss about it.

clearsommespace · 06/08/2014 08:36

Firstchoice
I'm delurking to respond to yuor comment about this thread not having many posters to say that there may be a lot of lurkers like myself who care but don't know enough about the system to post anything useful to the debate. I'm not sure how interesting it would be to read post after post expressing shock and disgust so I refrain from posting my feelings on a lot of threads. Does that make sense?

PausingFlatly · 06/08/2014 09:18

Thanks for that link milk.

So the Swiss are actually recommending changing their system of 100% benefit loss during sanctions, to one of "increased monitoring of search behavior but decreased penalties in case of non-compliance."

Because their research shows this will be more efficient for the economy.

There's an ingredient missing, though. This paper was published in 2009, ie before the bank crashes had time to bite. So their conclusion that people take lower-paid, less-secure jobs when sanctioned is drawn from economies with plenty of jobs.

During periods of high unemployment, the behaviour of the individual jobseeker has less impact on whether they become employed or not, because the jobs aren't there for the taking.

So it's less likely sanctioning will cause them to find even low-paid, temporary jobs.

AnAirOfHope82 · 06/08/2014 11:00

I think another thread should be started about sanctions and peoples experiances. But the pepple on benefits my not know how to use the internet, may not afford it, may have rl issues - like finding food, selling things to get food so have no time to post. Sanctions hurt the vaunrable people the most and it has a knock on affect eg if you cant pay your rent this week/month you cant pay double next week/month.

If you use an overdraft to cover having no money you cant pay it back if you are living hand to mouth and when the limit is meet not only do you have no money you own even more money you dont have. To cover thid people sell thing, steal things or get comitted for trying to kill themself or got to prison for stealing thing. They lose their homes so the council put them in emingancey housing, the children go into fostercare or people just die.

As time goes on the effects will get worse and sociaty will have more crime, morechildren homes, more food banks and maybe work house sorry factory low paid workers.

The poor are getting poorer and the rich richer because the rich rule the country and the poor are just too busy trying to live to stop them.

Isitmebut · 06/08/2014 11:52

PausingFlately ….. re your 2009 point, IMO politically there really needs to be political honesty about the effects of the deepest and longest recession in 100-years and acknowledge them versus the options available to ANY government, not only in 2010 - when there was NOT any plans in place to address UK welfare/benefits/unemployment problems to build upon - but now as well.

For a start, politicians have to make up their minds whether SPENDING went up or down over this parliament (and figures show it went up), whether they will cut the bill over the next parliament - and whether they have more than economic soundbites to solve the social consequences from the worst recession in 100-years.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11012262/Labour-being-hypocritical-over-housing-benefit-bill.html

(August 2014) “Rachel Reeves, the shadow work and pensions secretary, will highlight forecasts which show that the real-terms cost of housing benefit to people with jobs is set to increase from £2.6?billion in 2009 to £5.3?billion this year and to £6.1 billion by 2018.
She will say that the Tories have failed on their pledge to cut welfare spending.”

In early 2010 the government was still like a rabbit in headlights, telling us they would increase taxes e.g. National Insurance, and keeping an expensive Quango ridden state as it was - and the way to grow the Private Sector (and jobs) suffering from that recession, was to up the wages of workers, with other business tax rises in the wings. Where were any solutions then (and now) in their manifesto to “the cost of living crisis” (fall in wage growth) evident after any major recession, never mind the worst for 100-years?
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8615297.stm

All very well for short term votes and (maybe) the large companies, but how many more small to medium sized businesses like shops, that form the back bone of our economy, would have gone under? There is not 1 in 7 shops empty NOW (10,500 in London alone?) in the midst of a real recovery in the Private Sector, because small to medium businesses could/can afford higher wages.

Where would the economy have been today if the Coalition had listened to Labour ridiculing their policies on reforms and tax cuts to help businesses for 2years at PMQT, and followed Labour’s lead with policies designed to over spend and over tax the UK economy to ‘growf’ - certainly not with the current rise of 1.8 million new jobs over this parliament.

So the point is that appears Welfare and Benefits unreformed since Tax Credits and all their over/under payment teething troubles HAD to be reformed by any government over spending by £157 billion - and having seen our population/jobs grow by over 2.5 million in a few years, effectively telling those without the skills all these people apparently brought here, they were consigned to the welfare/benefits scrap heap.

On long term social issues, on a 'spot the trend' we had over 500,000 16-24 years olds unemployed in 2004, over 700,000 in 2007, and over 900,000 in early 2010. Was this really a rich versus poor ‘class’ issue, or policy incompetence from a government that did not have the first clue how to maintain the sustainable economy they inherited in 1997, back then the fastest growing economy in Europe.

dawndonnaagain · 06/08/2014 11:53

experiences of sanctions

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WhistlingPot · 12/08/2014 09:19

Some of those are so sad CFSKate.

I don't want to be part of a society that does this.

dottypotter · 09/03/2016 15:16

its in the news again.

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