Oscar Pistorius Trial Part 7

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here is Part 6. Nearly time for a new one.

Can you imagine his questioning

Can you imagine his patronising tone whilst he twisted everything you said until you felt like screaming with frustration or you were losing your mind?

Redcoats

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That was at "There'd be no 'this old thing I've had it for years' with him"

He might not be like it to his family though Charlie. He might be a big old softy with them.

Nevertheless the fantasies being woven here are based on his performance in court.

Hmm Redcoats and Rousette "With all due respect, I put it to you that that garment is not an "old thing" and you are tailoring your evidence, whereas the tailoring of the garment is indisputably correct, perhaps in light of this we should ask for a referral."

I thought Roux came across as very agitated and somewhat desparate not to have the referral, and I can't help but wonder why. He introduced the psychiatric evidence to bolster his case surely further evaluation would assist his case? Why wouldn't Roux want further evidence to confirm that OP acted out of fear and not intent due to his mental and physical state? Why introduce this evidence at all if that is not what the defence are arguing?

I had to smile when Nel dropped the bombshell that he was counsel in the case he referred to, Roux's face was a picture!

Im sure hes very different at home Charlie most people are very different in their profession than the person during free time.

Yes, I was fatigued, and I am at present u-turning.

Loving the badge AGnu

Im sure Mr Roux is luffly at home as well, and Judge M.

I thought Roux came across as very agitated and somewhat desperate not to have the referral, and I can't help but wonder why.

Yes, me too. There is the issue that it will be a further delay, which is fair and valid. There is also that it won't be a comfortable experience for his client.

However, the mean little voice in my is saying; he's either worried that they're not going to find anything wrong, or they're going to find something else entirely.'

Can you imagine posting on MN Relationship board after an argument with Nel, I'm sure you'd be adviced to LTB

Zulu I think you would end up agreeing with Nel, so no argument iyswim!

However, the mean little voice in my is saying; he's either worried that they're not going to find anything wrong, or they're going to find something else entirely.' My mean voice is joining in with you as well. I think this is exactly why he doesn't want it to happen.

Being thick here, but why would they be frightened of finding something else?

What something else entirely?

Many armchair psychologists have suggested he is a narcissist, hence the inability to take responsbility, blame others for his faults etc.

Not saying this equals he's a cold blooded killer, but would show him in a less favourable light than the Anxiety disorder diagnosis paints him.

Maybe Narcisstic Personality Disorder, or something else which would lend weight to the Prosecution claim that it is all about OP. Maybe if the psychiatrists had the prosecution and defence evidence they may find something that lends credence to Nel's view that OP refuses to take responsibility for anything and only feels remorse for himself and not for Reeva. Just speculating as to reasons other than delay as to why the Defence seem to object so strongly to this referral.

Did Roux actually confirm what the defence was that they were running? I thought he did, but can't remember and if is is putative self defence then I see no need for two psychiatrists to give evidence, I just wonder if he wanted to "bank" this evidence in the event of mitigation for sentence or appeal if either of those became relevant.

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I think that Roux is so against is due to the risk that too much emphasis is placed on the GAD and it is seen to have influenced both his actions and integrity as a witness.
The massive risk to Roux is his clients testimony being struck from the record if he is found to be an unreliable witness (Nel mentioned this possibility during argument for referral).
With OPs evidence being struck from the record you have no explanation from OP about what happened that night, all you have is a young woman shot dead behind the locked door of a tiny toilet cubical. If OPs testimony was struck from the record I don't know if the bail statement or evidence in chief would stand but even if it did, you would have a story full of holes with no explanation at all. Roux will be very worried about this even though the chances I feel are low, its still there and a massive, massive risk. I don't think he thought Nel would go down this route. Roux may have not seen it coming at all or thought that his interpretation of the law was 100% right and sound. It is probably the latter.

I can not get my head around the fact that the next (probably final) witness the defence have lined up is yet another about phycological state!
Writing that has made me think if a third possibility, the Roux saw that risk of referral for assessment but thought that by having the phycological witnesses as the last two he could push assessment until after the defence rested giving a delay...

Now I write that out I realise it doesn't actually make any more sense, there is no benefit, humm okay, maybe my first thought where right and it was a play to work in an appeal loop hole in the event of conviction.

Gosh, of course, that would open a totally new can of worms. Could the state of requested a psych report before the trial, would the defence have had to of agreed?

Thanks Redcoats and emotions

oh yes, i was going to make a point about the last witness, I thought I understood that it was another psych witness which confused me, but anyway my point...

So, Roux is a very experienced defence lawyer, surely he would have known that Nel would push for an assessment on OP? I suprised that he seems suprised tbh.

I hadn't thought about them making OP's evidence inadmissable.

I hope the judge decides he must be assessed. Partly to protect against this being used for appeal. Partly to show OP that this is real. I am still not quite sure he really takes this on board. If he is found to have a more serious psychiatric condition its important to know. There are several conditions that have been suggested over the weeks on various boards/and psychiatrists that feel he meets the criteria.
If he has no more anxiety than an average wealthy white south African that is also important to know.
I think he may find it difficult living without the protection of his family for a few days/weeks.

I am not sure which way the judge will go tomorrow. Slightly afraid she will say no to the application.

I got the impression that the state hadn't been able to request a phycological assessment before because before now there was nothing in the defence about a phycological condition.
I could be wrong though.

Judge Masipa is inscrutable and I am not sure which way she will go either, but gut feeling says she will refuse the referral. However, no Judge likes having their decisions/cases appealed and Nel did labour that point so maybe she will err on the side of caution and grant the referral to close off any possible avenue for appeal.

With regard to Nel's assertion that OP refuses to take responsibility, OP wouldnt say what Nel wanted him to say but wouldn't that be due to fear about where that would lead rather than anything else? Nel must have a reason for wanting him to say yes I'm sorry I killed her which is useful to the state's case, like a trap. OP won't give him that so he's a narcissist.