Teacher killed, Leeds

[bleedingheart]

Just heard on the news that a female teacher has been stabbed to death by a 15 yr old student. This has made me go so cold. That poor woman.

Sad for all concerned.

I wonder who will be held responsible for failing this child, children and Teacher? The school for not supporting him properly in the building and not keeping other children and staff safe? The Dr's for not treating him properly? His Father? His Mother?

Its a secondary school which was deemed as inadequate by ofsted due to behavioural issues

Are you sure? I thought I'd read that the school had a good reputation?

I don't know Leeds at all though.

Sadly, I suspect it's the kind of one off tragic event that could happen in any school anywhere in the country though. It's the act of a seriously disturbed and possibly ill young person.

I agree that this could happen in any school ( nothing to do with the school ), sadly more and more teens are suffering with mental health issues and often there's not enough help for them .

I don't think it has anything to do with 'what area the schools in'.

For example if he had had food tech before spanish then it would be quite easy for him to get hold of a knife and murder his teacher ten minutes later.

....yes, this is exactly the sort of thing I meant. If the boy had planned the attack, then even if the school had security measures in place to check for weapons as some secondary school do nowadays, it is not difficult for a pupil to find something within the school therefore, very difficult to stop this sort of attack. We seem to have crossed wires here.

I'm not why you have then gone on to talk about extreme behavioural issues in your last post, AFAIK, the police have stated that there was no prior indication that anyone was in danger from this pupil. And nothing has been said about the boy involved other than his age. You seem to be using this tragic incident to convey your own feelings about education provision for children with behavioural issues. I really don't think this is the place for it, sorry.

I saw in an article that apparently he was good in all lessons but for Spanish, which could mean he had built up frustration or something and therefore targeted Mrs McGuire. So sad. Thank God there isn't easy access to guns or other weapons which could have killed more than one person, like a teacher coming to restrain him or another student.

I went there, it's Corpus Christi Catholic College in Leeds. It's deemed "good" by ofsted with some Outstanding teaching going on. It's not deemed inadequate at all. She taught me for 4 years and helped me through my depression/anxiety at school. she was amazing. Im just angry, i have no words.

leedsgirl231
I think that your post is giving more details than is appriopate at this time. Its one thing to spectulate, but another to give away details of this lad which your sister has personal knowledge of.

MountainWater - what a ridiculous thing to say. What exactly are you basing that on? Perhaps everyone should hold off speculating and pointing fingers until more facts are discovered and released.

On what Leedsgirl said about the counsellor.

leedsgirl, I have reported your post because here say like that can not be allowed to remain on a public forum where it may prejudice the case.

please do not take this as me not believing what you say, whether true or not, it is not wise to give out info like this about the accused

MountainWater, then I suggest you re-read what that poster wrote.

1. She said it was an OFF-SITE counsellor.
2. You have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not the boy had seen a counsellor at all and even if he had, the chances of it being the same one are pretty slim.
3. Your assertion that some counsellors are dodgy (or whatever you said) is offensive.
4. Until I see some evidence that the perpetrator of this hideous crime was in some way damaged or ill then I would appreciate it if posters could stop referring to him as a "poor child". He murdered someone. He stabbed her multiple times in the neck. He may be a child, legally, but that does not mean that his actions need to be excused or blamed on someone else.

I am not only sad about the loss of what seems to be an incredible etcher, well respected - I remember my teachers so clearly, their guidance and intellect have shaped my life. I am sad for this child, the gutter press coverage, the descriptions of him by neighbours and pupils at Corpus Christi fit my 16 year old son so well, that I can only feel so very very sad for him. Trial by tabloid is never acceptable. Rest In peace ann maguire, but please let this boy have a fair trial.

*teacher, etcher! clearly.

I keep thinking about this poor woman. I didn't know her,but it's so horrific. What a terrible,terrible way to die. Thoughts are with her family,colleagues and the poor pupils who had to witness such an awful event.

The reporting in the DM has surprised me. They report that the Dad often left the boys with no money for school dinners and that Mrs Maguire often gave them money. They reported the Dad lived in a much more expensive house than the Mum and gave the impression he was more interested in his new family. This is the bit that shocked me, they went out of their way to explain the Mum was a good single Mum, who struggled in a cheaper house, worked hard and was responsible. The DM seem to be starting to pin the blame on the Dad.

And Grand Theft Auto. And black clothes. And long hair.

That's completely irresponsible of the DM, but it doesn't surprise me at all.

Has anyone read anything in the other papers?

Having quickly glanced at the DM website this morning, there's no pointy finger of blame any more - they just refer to him coming from a "good family" and say that the police are not releasing any information. I wonder if they've had their knuckles rapped over it.

Hope so. Nowhere near enough though.

phantomnamechanger its fine, i understand
its just pupils and past pupils such as myself need to know why, we deserve that much.

leedsgirls'- I'm sorry, but no you don't. Just because you are a past pupil of the school, you are not entitled to an explanation. The victim's family, the boy's family, yes, but a past pupil? No.

Why do you "deserve" anything?

I'm not sure we will ever fully understand leedsgirl - I have family in the school so do understand the need to find some reason for why it happened. We just need to make sure that nothing said on here could in any way prejudice a future trial. From talking to my young relative (and Mrs Maguire was totally her favourite teacher and had seen her through some tough family issues) I know there is a sense of disbelief that this could have happened in what is, for most pupils, a safe and secure environment. I am told that the school and community are really pulling together to support each other, which is what Mrs Maguire would have wanted I think, she sounded lovely.

One of my cousins taught at the 30+ school years ago and says that even back then she was like a mother figure to new teachers too. I'm told her Spanish class have started an #AforAnne hashtag and want to try to get A's in their GCSEs "for her". They are trying to move forward in the way they think she would have wanted them to - which I think is the greatest testament to her impact on their lives.