Missing Malaysia Airlines MH370... Thread 4

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Living, the altitude changes come from supposition based on military radar readings. It could be wrong - lots of things influence radar reflections. They're usually analysed against another data source, like the secondary radar, but that was turned off in MH370 so the confirmation wasn't there.

we have no right or indeed need to know at the moment, although, of course we all want to know otherwise we wouldn't be on this thread.

^^this

And also Inmarsat may have been asked to control the data release - after all, wouldn't want either hostiles or have a go heroes trying to track down the plane alongside the official search.

inmarsat will have official regulations they have to follow on release of data - i would imagine releasing the info to the general public would be illegal and probably come under some kind of national security laws that would see them in serious trouble.

they must have to operate with some very strict regulations given the data they have access to.

If the plane carried on for hours unmanned, I guess we should be thankful they didn't collide with another aircraft at least.

I really, really hope those on board didn't suffer.

i can only imagine the security clearance you must need to work in a company like that realistically - you're certainly not in a position to give press releases on satellite information.

Saga, the planes have proximity sensors so should be alerted to avoid each other.

Is it just me or does anyone else feel strangely reassured now the Aussies are involved .

I thought they only work if the transponder is on, Doctrine?

Help me out here. Do I have this right?

IF (and it's a big if) the "wreckage" spotted in the sea off Australia is indeed MH370, how come it flew for so long, only to crash? Presumably hypoxia is the only logical explanation for this (because if it was being flown deliberately, flying it out over the ocean for seven hours only to run out of fuel and crash is a pretty pointless thing to do) therefore it can be assumed that everyone on board died and the plane carried on flying aimlessly?

But the problem with the hypoxia hypothesis is the fact the plane turned and started flying due south? Someone had to have caused that?

This story hurts my brain, but it's SO compelling.

Thanks garlic must have missed that altitude thing on our earlier threads. It seemed to be discussed with confidence by the media that I thought it was definitely confirmed.

Ooh, dunno, I assumed the other plane could ”see" the hunk of metal and would be alerting to an obstacle (like parking sensors!)

Yeah, Saga, Doctrine. They don't have proximity sensors, their secondary radar shows them what else is in the sky. Secondary radar only works when both ends are working. MH370's was turned off. Mind you, in daylight other planes would have been able to see it - and in the dark, IF it had its lights on.

Hat, I'd go with hijack, struggle, hijackers initially won and the pilot/co pilot reprogrammed the plane with a knife to his throat but then somehow there was a fight back but no fuel
Left to reach land so a ditch into the sea.

The plane could have been empty by that time, Hat ....

I'm pretty sure we'll never really know! So why can't I stop refreshing this thread & following all the links?

we have no right or indeed need to know at the moment, although, of course we all want to know otherwise we wouldn't be on this thread.

Agreed.

Where is the information about there being 14 satellite pings please? Or is that an assumption that a ping was detected every 30minutes for 7 hours that the plane flew on for? I am not sure that a satellite actually holds on to all pings tbh, don't know if Goldie knows.

the altitude changes come from supposition based on military radar readings. It could be wrong - lots of things influence radar reflections. They're usually analysed against another data source, like the secondary radar, but that was turned off in MH370 so the confirmation wasn't there.

^ and this is exactly why I am really sceptical as to whether the waypoints were actually navigated after the turn back over the Malay peninsula. The waypoint navigation was one of the main points why Chris Goodfellow's theory of turning back was debunked.

Another debunking point was fire, & a plane's ability to keep flying for so long had there been one. What if there had been an over - heat of something but not enough to start a fire. Hot enough to melt (ACARS?) cables & release noxious fumes from plastics, eventually rendering the pilots unconscious (perhaps expedited by them putting oxygen masks on but the O2 tanks were mistakenly filled with nitrogen)?

I don't know how often TCAS warnings are activated on the average plane & whether knowing whether any plane within those North & South corridors had activation of their TCAS between 1:20 & 8:20am on 8th March would be useful.

I'm still here, in case anyone was wondering.

The men in dark glasses didn't come to cart me off, nor the men in white coasts!

I'm still half believing that there was a distress call picked up by the US. In that case a depressuration of the cabin, pilot manages to turn back before passing out completely. Plane flies on depressurised.

Not sure about timings, other turns that may or may not have been made, altitude or WHY? But let's hope, whatever the outcome, that it was a quick end for those on board.

Hijack theory could work. The Ethiopian airlines aircraft that was hijacked and crashed just off (literally) the Comoros Islands would be a fit.

Perhaps the pilots took a gamble on the naïvety of this hijackers and just programmed any old where knowing they would all likely die anyway. I'm guessing here totally.

I know MH370 couldn't detect any other planes but I thought other planes could detect it (which was one of the reasons given that the Malaysian plane couldn't have tailgated the singapore plane northwards ) ?

Garlic, so are you saying the satellite pings likely held more info like altitude, fuel etc. re your post at 4.53.

Member, I think with acars off the plane was in stealth, hence other planes could not detect it.

Yes, pilots could have programmed anything in knowing hijackers were not able to override it. Middle of ocean would be a good place to go down with no casualties other than plane passengers.

It's still impossible to make anything fit.

If there was a distress call - what was the plane doing over Thailand? It had already gone off course at that point - why wait so long and fly so far, why not go to the nearest airport?

Glad you're still here, Downton.

Stupid question, but is it known whether the plane could "ping" from a part floating on water, and what we see is not the course flown, but floated?