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Am I the only one distressed by the thought of drinking our DS formula milk at airport ?

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Rookiemum · 14/08/2006 19:48

Now I know the reasons for it and understand them but ugh ugh ugh.

DH and I are returning back on Thursday and he has tried a swig, I had a tiny dot and its not pleasant. Can't DS just drink the stuff that would show that its not something dangerous ?

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aviatrix · 17/08/2006 09:04

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DominiConnor · 17/08/2006 13:13

sansouci, one must of course remember that religious terrorism is far from exclusively a Moslem practice. Recall how Catholic terrorists in Northern Ireland have murdered pregant women ?
They also tried to kill me when I was 5.

if you look at the life expectancy of people like army officers in WWI or bomber rear gunners in WWII these people were effecively committing suicide, it merely took a few goes to die.

The job my mum did in WWII, had a higher death rate than any Briitsh army unit.
The Kamikaze Japanese were sort of religious, since classical Japanese culture blurs the line between divinity and the state.

Ironically, Hitler threw a fit at the notion of his pilots being used like this, calling it "un-German". Draw whatever conclusion you like from that.

We do know that some Allied fighter pilots in WWII, rammed enemy planes, dying in the process, and in all wars there are men who do things like throw themselves on hand grenades to stop their mates getting killed.

Fact is that in wars, you stand a high chance of really bad things happening to you. All soliders are to some extent suidice fighters. All that varies are the odds.

Contrary to what Guardian readers would have you believe, efficient armies don't run on hate and violence. You need the squaddies to work with each other, and if necessary die for their friends, else your army simply does not work.
That's why Moslem armies are so shit. Typically formed from conscripts who hate the current regime, led by officers who unlike leaders of armies in civilised countries, tend to stay safe and let the junior ranks get slaughtered.
Not restricted of course to Moslems, in the Falklands, the almost uniformly Catholic officer class, ran away leaving untrained teenage farm boys to face Gurkhas. Real hard men, who have killed in face to face combat fear Gurkhhas.

Suicide bombing is thus based upon the failure of the military aspect of Moslem cultures.
Whatever you think of what we do in Iraq, or Israel is doing in Lebanon, the deeper point is that we do this because we can, and that for every one of our people who die, something like 50-100 Moslems die.

It is of course valid to not be very proud of the fact that we are much better at killing people that Moslems, but it is the way things are.

MrsBadger · 17/08/2006 13:23

and there I was, all ready to post the results of a formula taste test , when I noticed the thread had drifted onto the organisation of the military. Ho hum.

yellowrose · 17/08/2006 16:55

I know off the point totally, but yes very happy to taste my own breastmilk, as I have done on many occassions (not straight from source, but expressed milk !!) It is utterly delicious !

My son a 2.2 year old toddler won't give it up, so it must be good

Just wondering, but as a breastfeeding mother would you have to taste your own milk too before getting on a plane or is it excluded as long as its not in a bottle ? Just wondering !

Twinkie1 · 17/08/2006 16:58

I'd taste anything I had to to ensure that others did too and we were as safe as we could - I'd fly naked - I think anyone who is pissed off about the measures that have been brought in need it have their heads tested - it is being done for our safety - the yare the experts and if they say it needs to be done then who am I to argue, rather than travel without game boy and have to taste milk than be blown up whilst be 30,000 feet up inthe sky, well anywhere for that matter.

Blondilocks · 17/08/2006 19:23

Hear hear Twinkie1. I would try it even if I had to go & buy something strong at once to take away the taste! I think it's better to be inconvenienced than to be potentially unsafe.

Even OH had to leave his electronic key fob & liquids at home so they are being very thorough.

goldendelicious · 17/08/2006 20:36

I don't think the government are overreacting, aviatrix. Any preventative measure is better than doing nothing at all. I'm in favour of it, it makes me feel that bit safer. If the government weren't doing a damn thing about it, we'd all be moaning a thousand times louder - and with good reason.

Joolstoo · 17/08/2006 20:37

agree Twinkie

and is it really 'distressing' to have to drink a bit of formula?

Elf1981 · 17/08/2006 20:45

haven't read all the thread yet but...

while we may feel that formula tastes disgusting, most babies tongues have not been loaded with sugar, salt and shite for decades so the taste for them would be entirely different.

OTOH Breastmilk is so so so sweet. Or mine is at least. It's the chocolate cake at lunch, it must be!

goldendelicious · 17/08/2006 20:56

Elf - loaded with sugar salt and s**te -TOO TRUE

Rookiemum · 17/08/2006 21:20

Well we flew today.

We weren't allowed to take water in bottles through so had to empty one bottle. DS got hungry just before we went through security and almost finished his bottle, but sadly didn't so DH duly tasted.

Airport staff said it was generally the blokes that had been doing it & both security staff grimaced when he drunk the stuff so obviously not everyone thinks its the best stuff since sliced bread. They were very jovial about the whole thing so I think they'd been through it a few times before.

We were allowed to take our powder container through, but apparently restrictions on that had just been lifted. Poor DH had to take a taste of that as well, although its one of the divided containers and they only made him taste one section so if you were a terrorist I would imagine you would put your stuff in the other bit.

We were able to get hot water from the other side of check in, although I couldn't swear that it had been boiled, but I suppose its ok for this instance.

Purely for the sake of thoroughness I checked in Boots once through check-in assuming they would have got in stocks of all brands to cater for demand and also to make some extra money. Nope, SMA was all they had and precious little of that.

I think things are stricter for US flights though, and most of the staff we spoke to were unsure of exact regulations as they said they kept changing.

Oh DH reckoned that the powder was worse than the liquid as it was so concentrated but a cup of tea and a danish pastry managed to get rid of the taste.

I am in favour of increased security generally and think that restricting hand luggage is a good thing, but I am glad I wasn't the one to drink the formula milk ..........

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DominiConnor · 17/08/2006 21:20

I'm told breastmilk has about the same carbohydrate content as ice cream, much more than cows milk.

Mum2FunkyDude · 17/08/2006 21:24

Why would you give your child something you won't drink yourself?

goldendelicious · 17/08/2006 21:25

Rookiemum - what exactly were you allowed to take as hand luggage? We're flying soon and i'm trying to plan something to eat for ds - he's a year old so doesn't get a seat or a meal but won't be satisfied on just milk! Can I take anything on for him at all or does he have to starve?

Toady · 17/08/2006 21:36

Why would you take your baby on the plane if you were planning to blow it up??!!

goldendelicious · 17/08/2006 21:38

Unfortunately I don't think thats something we'll ever know the answer to Toady . Some people are just sick

hunkermunker · 17/08/2006 21:42

How interesting that taste test link is, MrsB - the fishy taste they report disturbs me a bit, I have to say.

dinny · 17/08/2006 21:46

sorry to crash in, but HELLO Hunker, how the devil are you? not on MSn on this PC but must catch up soon. did you get a nice letter from JH?

Rookiemum · 17/08/2006 21:53

Goldendelicious provided you weren't flying to the US the main restriction was no liquid, but i don't know if that would extend to home made food or not, but I don't think you would have a problem bringing through a banana or something like that.

We flew from Gatwick so there were extensive facilities post check in, you could buy fresh fruit from most of the catering places, and things like yoghurt. Boots had the ready made jars, yes I know probably not everyones first choice, but at least they are an option for emergencies.

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Rookiemum · 17/08/2006 21:55

Oh and well researched Mrs B

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goldendelicious · 17/08/2006 21:56

Thanks rookiemum, was panicking a bit! Dreading the thought of entertaining DS for four hours and the thought of no nibbles or drinks made me feel even worse!!

joolstoo · 17/08/2006 22:36

you can't compare an adults taste buds to a baby surely - all that crap that has passed most adults lips, smoking, drinking - all take their toll on taste. We're used to far more salt and sugar and more 'taste' generally.

Most babies I know that have formula, wolf the stuff down so it can't be that bad.

cazboldy · 17/08/2006 22:43

Completely agree mum2funkydude!

aviatrix · 17/08/2006 22:46

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