Missing Malaysia Air plane

[KenAdams]

It's so sad. They still haven't found anything, but thinks it's crashed into the sea.

For anyone that hasn't heard

"But we kept coming back to - can such a big plane land anywhere, (safely, as it needs to be kept intact to reuse) and no-one notice?"

Last comment for the night - ohh yes! It could.

It's not likely. But it could.

Goldie, hope your other thing works out ok :-)

when I say :-) I mean obv!

Oh. Bugger. We decided it couldn't and reassured ourselves!

I believe the sensible conclusion is that the plane has ditched in the sea somewhere.

It's the why? Where? And when? That's the mystery.

in the 70s hijacked planes were regularly landed safely (generally in desert areas)

but the hijackings were always known about

the deafening silence on this one is sooo strange

I believe the sensible conclusion is that the plane has ditched in the sea somewhere.

It's the why? Where? And when? That's the mystery.

update about those 'signals from the engines' - not sent by the engines to RR.

Still sent though...

'The Wall Street Journal has issued a correction to its report early Thursday that MH370 flew for hours after losing contact with ground control based on signals from systems in the plane’s Roll-Royce engines.

'The theory that the plane flew for hours is based on a signal coming from a different system inside the plane – a satellite-communication link – and not the Rolls-Royce engines, the Journal now reports. Here’s the correction:

'Corrections & Amplifications

'U.S. investigators suspect Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 flew for hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, based on an analysis of signals sent through the plane’s satellite-communication link designed to automatically transmit the status of some onboard systems, according to people familiar with the matter. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said investigators based their suspicions on signals from monitoring systems embedded in the plane’s Rolls-Royce PLC engines and described that process.'

From \link{http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2014/mar/13/mh370-no-sign-of-debris-detected-by-chinese-satellite-live-updates\the Guardian blog}

I was completely obsessed with the Bermuda Triangle JillJ72 when I was a child and read a lot about the incidents. Every last one afaik now has been explained/resolved (in some cases, many years later, with more modern technology). I don't think there's a woo explanation. I think it's a lot more likely that it ditched in the ocean (as Goldie suspects) with a much smaller chance of hijack and landing. Poor passengers and crew, either way

it is all so odd. marking place.

Marking my place but I'll just add df's theory which is that the authorities/military knew there was a hijacking/bomb on board so shot the plane down and are covering it up because, let's face it, if the public knew a passenger plane was going to be shot down there would be uproar. The thing is, with all of the countries helping in the search and satellite imagery etc why hasn't any wreckage been found? Surely they couldn't hide the wreckage.

Hope all is okay Goldie. come back soon

Can I just pick up on those who said sea-bed monitors and/or seismic relays would have an impact on the ocean surface or the black box falling to the bottom? Oceans are incredibly deep - surely anything that sank will be floating gently down, not smashing into the mud like a bullet? Same with a crash into the surface: however enormous the smash, it'll be well diffused by the mass of water. And I can't believe there's anything measuring impacts on the surface, they'd be going off every time there's heavy weather!

Locator beacons are only detectable up to about a mile in deep water. That's a ridiculous amount of seabed to scour - although I'm sure it will be scoured. I hope the devices made it through whatever happened.

Hope you're feeling okay, Goldie, and have slept well.

I think it has landed, crash or otherwise, on land.

"Marking my place but I'll just add df's theory which is that the authorities/military knew there was a hijacking/bomb on board so shot the plane down and are covering it up because, let's face it, if the public knew a passenger plane was going to be shot down there would be uproar. The thing is, with all of the countries helping in the search and satellite imagery etc why hasn't any wreckage been found? Surely they couldn't hide the wreckage."

Does your DF have either military or aviation experience. What he describes is so unlike actual practice with a suspect flight, that I suspect he hasn't.

My dh also believes it was shot down by the military. But it doesn't make sense that there's no wreckage found. Yet.

"Hope you're feeling okay, Goldie, and have slept well."

Ended up on the sofa most of the night as I couldn't sleep. To cut a long story short (don't want to make this thread about me!) I crashed DH's new car in a ditch on my way to get DS1 last night .

The 'flew for a long time and crashed in the Indian Ocean' theory seems to be seriously explored this morning.

"My dh also believes it was shot down by the military. But it doesn't make sense that there's no wreckage found. Yet."

If they'd done this^ it'd be pretty hard to cover up and somebody would probably have leaked it by now. However, if they had done that and they knew where the wreckage was there'd probably be a cover up underway.

I don't know all that much about military protocols but I would suspect that they'd only shoot it down if it was presenting a clear threat to a 'target'. Those targets (Petronas Towers maybe?) would tend to be on land, so it would prbably have happened over land, or very near it and people would have seen it.

I've only got half an hour before I have to drop DS2 so can't spend a long time on here this morning - sorry!

Oh dear. Hope you are ok and no one was hurt.

No, nobody hurt. Only my pride!

My Dh said shot down too but then ummed and arred when I said 'so where's the wreckage?'

No need to apologise Goldie! Thanks so much for your reassuring take on this.

The hypoxia theory - would that mean everyone on board would have passed out from lack of oxygen? Or just the pilots? I keep thinking about it and wondering if the passengers were awake and at what point they realised the plane was unmanned, so to speak. I hope they were all unconscious, in this scenario.

Oh dear Goldie!

Pprune mentions possibility of plane landing somewhere and then taking off again, maybe after refuelling. In which case it could be anywhere.
Hard to tell if supposed leaks from those in the know are serious or just nonsense.

The US is definitely sending in major resources to look in the Indian Ocean though and I believe they'd only do that if they really thought it was there.