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Mark Duggan- Shooting was lawful

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Whitershadeofpale · 08/01/2014 17:08

here

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Nicknacky · 08/01/2014 21:22

I will have a google for it, Amber. But how do you think it got there?

limitedperiodonly · 08/01/2014 21:22

You'd think this bloke would be safe being a white barrister who lived in Chelsea

I remember the seige and I sympathised with the police until I read this

The officer was later cleared by the IPCC.

Sorry if I don't believe a fucking word.

donnie · 08/01/2014 21:23

Only a few months ago Smiley Culture 'stabbed himself to death' Hmm in his own kitchen when police investigated drug related matters.

AmberLeaf · 08/01/2014 21:23

well if I've said I don't think mark duggan put it there, what are the other options?

Norudeshitrequired · 08/01/2014 21:25

The alternative headline to Duggans death could have been: 19 year old man shot dead by Mark Duggan after police failed to act on intelligence saying that he had a gun and was off to shoot somebody.

limitedperiodonly · 08/01/2014 21:25

the fact remains that he had a gun

Really? Norudeshitrequired

Nicknacky · 08/01/2014 21:28

So the police had a gun, then shot duggan before planting the gun which conveniently was linked to his associate?

You seriously think they just carry a gun about on the off chance they shoot someone and need to cover it up??

I read some news reports from civilian witnesses who state he was holding a phone, is that the statements you were referring to?

Norudeshitrequired · 08/01/2014 21:30

Really? Norudeshitrequired

Just call me Sherlock for my excellent observational skills Grin.

If Duggan had killed one of of your loved ones after police failed to act on the intelligence that he had a gun you might have a very different view. The way I see it is that he was prevented from killing somebody else.
Off to search ebay for my Sherlock outfit.

Sallyingforth · 08/01/2014 21:30

Sallying With respect, don't tell me what to do
Why not? You are telling the jury what to do!
They sat through three months of evidence in a very difficult, high profile case, and came to a decision. You are trying to pick and choose the bits of their verdict that suit your PoV, and dismiss the bits that you disagree with. Tough.

donnie · 08/01/2014 21:32

The police shooting of Cherry Groce precipitated the Brixton riots as I recall, and the death of Cynthia Jarrett in police custody triggered the Broadwater Farm troubles. Both women were unarmed and black. I remember these events well - especially the latter as it was almost on my doorstep at the time.

The police close ranks in these cases. They always have done.

It is a hard, hard job and I could never do it. But I won't accept this view that 'because MD was bad he had it coming'. All this 'live by the sword' crap - THE MAN WAS UNARMED.

IamInvisible · 08/01/2014 21:33

No I am not.

I, along with thousands of others are saying the verdict does not make sense.

AmberLeaf · 08/01/2014 21:34

I don't think the police were carrying a gun around to plant.

I accept that the gun was likely in the boot of the cab put there by Mark duggan.

the police shot an unarmed man.

they lied and said he shot at them first.

I don't think it is pushing it to think it is possible that they moved the gun from the boot to over the fence. a witness stated that she saw an officer do exactly that.

Nicknacky · 08/01/2014 21:34

You don't need to think it makes sense. The jury have decided it does.

AmberLeaf · 08/01/2014 21:37

his phone records proved he was on a call 5/10 seconds before he was stopped/shot.

yes witnesses stated he was holding a phone

Nicknacky · 08/01/2014 21:37

The police have never said he shot first. The IPCC incorrectly stated that at one point and retracted that. And where is the evidence to say it was in the boot of the car?

And witnesses can be mistaken. After all, the officer who stated he believed Duggan was in possession of a gun when he was shot was mistaken.

AmberLeaf · 08/01/2014 21:39

so if that officer was mistaken how did the gun get over the fence?

IamInvisible · 08/01/2014 21:39

It can still be wrong Nick.

The police originally said that shots were exchanged and a policeman was taken to hospital. A policeman was taken to hospital but it wasn't because Mark Duggan shot him!

AmberLeaf · 08/01/2014 21:41

saying he shot first was no accident. it was the first thing the public were fed and it had an impact. not only did he not shoot but he never had the gun in his hand.

yes he still managed to throw it over the fence.

Nicknacky · 08/01/2014 21:42

Amber I don't know. My guess is he threw it when he realised he was about to get busted with it. I believe the jury have also accepted he did this if I am to believe the news report I read.

I'm struggling to believe that the police had anything to gain by throwing it 20 feet away. More believable if they placed it beside him!

Handsup · 08/01/2014 21:43

Apparently the witness stated in court that Mark was surrendering with his arm in the air holding his mobile. After being cross examined she/ he said it couldn't possibly be the gun as the object was shiny whereas the officers said the gun was in the sock (which wouldn't shine I'm imagining).

limitedperiodonly · 08/01/2014 21:43

I'm willing to accept that Mark Duggan was a bad man. Though he did have minor convictions, so why didn't the Met Police and the CPS try harder?

It can't be that difficult, can it?

I'm more uneasy with Met Police death squads.

Though I accept I'm in a minority here.

TimeToPassGo · 08/01/2014 21:45

Police acted on the intelligence they had available at the time. It was a sad case for his family but tbh I don't understand how they can stand with a straight face sanctifying him.

dozeydoris · 08/01/2014 21:48

Bleat bleat bleat bleat bleat

There are 30,000 Met police officers, let's congratulate them on all the good work they do - oh, no, forgot, this is Britain, let's just bleat and whinge about the handful of things that have gone wrong
I don't know where you work but i've grown tired of Met officers who've claimed that people stabbed themselves like Smiley Culture or fell over like Ian Tomlinson or were in possession of a suspicious table leg

AmberLeaf · 08/01/2014 21:51

Marks cousin was shot dead a little while before mark was killed. he was apparently increasingly concerned/paranoid that he too was going to be shot.

that is apparently why he got the gun.

as I said, he was not the major player 'gang' member he was made out to be. it is very easy to portray a persons character a certain way when they are from a group of people who people are already prejudice about. People just suck it up.

MoominsYonisAreScary · 08/01/2014 21:52

The jury concluded he threw the gun out of the window when the police stopped the taxi.

Two of the officers thought he had a gun in his hand, it turned out to be a mobile phone. I guess they had to make a split second decision and this time they got it wrong.

However someone admitted selling him the gun, a gun was found a few meters from him.

If he hadnt bought the gun he wouldnt be deas

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