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Mental health patients being denied human rights in court

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HollyHB · 04/01/2014 02:15

From www.independent.co.uk/
Emily Dugan, Social Affairs Correspondent, published Friday 03 January 2014

Brief, fair use excerpt:

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People with mental health problems are being denied justice by some Court of Protection judges who fail to even consider hearing patients’ testimony, leading lawyers have told a House of Lords inquiry. ... Charlotte Haworth Hird, a solicitor who contributed to the submission, said that depriving patients of the right to speak for themselves “can lead to injustice”. She added: “Just because someone is deemed not to have capacity doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have the chance to speak to the judge about an important decision affecting their lives. ... The decisions of the court came under scrutiny earlier ... when it emerged Italian mother Alessandra Pacchieri had a caesarean section performed against her wishes and that her daughter was later taken into "care". ...
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It's good that they acknowledge that when people are denied opportunity to speak in their own defense when accused of being mental in an English Star Chamber secret court, it is not just the victim but her child or children who are denied justice also.

OP posts:
Mummra13 · 29/03/2014 20:27

If Ms Pacchieri does suffer from both schizophrenia and bi-polar than that is very relevant to both judgements. My question is why is schizophrenia important in the Mostyn judgement, but not important in the Newton judgement, and vice versa on bi-polar.

Nennypops · 29/03/2014 20:58

You really do come over as uncannily like you did last time the last poster who was desperate to discuss this case. Sorry, I'm not playing.

Mummra13 · 30/03/2014 13:11

My asking why schizophrenia was not considered relevant in child care hearings makes you paranoid? I also believe that DV and learning disabilities are also relevant in child care hearings. I am merely asking why if she suffers from schizophrenia it was not important in the child care hearing. Schizophrenia is a very serious mental illness and not to be brushed off as you seem to imply.

Nennypops · 30/03/2014 19:32

Sorry, I never mentioned paranoia, nor did I imply anything about schizophrenia. Still not playing.

Mummra13 · 30/03/2014 22:45

"You really do come over as uncannily like you did last time the last poster who was desperate to discuss this case. Sorry, I'm not playing."

From www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paranoia

  1. A tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others.

All you had to say was you do not know the answer to my question. I didn't expext anyone to have the definitive answer, I was merely stating my thoughts before you started accussing me of being... someone? You never did elaborate on that. I just want you to know its okay, I don't know what your experiances on this forum have been, and as such I can not blame you for your views on me however misplaced they are.

AnywhereOverTheRainbow · 31/03/2014 10:59

Sorry but the link posted by the OP.... goes directly to the homepage of The Independent....

Are we supposed to browse the whole Independent website to find the article you are referring to?

Nennypops · 31/03/2014 14:53

Mummra, if you're not simply the latest in a long line of people with strangely similar posting styles and an obsession with the Pacchieri case who suddenly pop up out of nowhere, fine. I will simply point out that there have been four long, long threads on that case and various others where it has been mentioned, so I suggest you go away and read those before trying to reopen the issue.

I am however fascinated at your long distance diagnosis of my mental health in light of your posts so far.

Mummra13 · 31/03/2014 16:46

@Anywhere

You can find the report here. www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201314/ldselect/ldmentalcap/139/139.pdf

Mummra13 · 31/03/2014 16:52

@Nenny

I gave my breif thoughts on the matter, then you proceeded to accuse me of beign some internet boogeyman without any knowledge of me. If that is not being paranoid I don't know what is. While you may be naive in your belief that the NHS is perfect there is plenty of examples of critical failures, some are even highlighted in the MCA report. Pretending problems do not exist or ignoring mistakes only leads to more problems.

Nennypops · 31/03/2014 21:13

Mummra, you are now actually making up something you fondly imagine I have said. As you seem to be having a discussion in your head I suggest you go and do it elsewhere.

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