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Rolf Harris charged with more sex offences

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AgaPanthers · 23/12/2013 04:34

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25489501

"Rolf Harris is facing three further prosecutions for sexual assault including one against girl "aged seven or eight", prosecutors have said.

The three counts are in addition to 13 alleged sexual offences which the entertainer was charged with in August.

The new counts are against females aged 19 in 1984, aged seven or eight in 1968 or 1969, and aged 14 in 1975.

The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said the allegations related to one existing complainant and two new ones."

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AlaskaNebraska · 30/12/2013 03:04

Think a lot of conjecture on here is unfair either way. You.cant presume guilt by cps bringing a case

AgaPanthers · 30/12/2013 04:09

"Agapanthers i am sorry but that is specious nonsense it is more or less impossible to download child porn 'by accident' or by 'searching for something for purely innocent and wholesome purposes' "

Really? I bet you could find child porn on Google/Bing Images in a matter of seconds using some innocuous search terms.

Why do you think they did this?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24980765

I don't think it's appropriate to comment on his innocence/guilt, but I would have thought that if you are charging with a number of offences, it would make sense to lay any possible charges at once, as they can be dropped at a later date.

That doesn't mean he has or hasn't downloaded anything of course, but this is not purely a case of downloading images. Where you have a man accused of abusing children, I would imagine that they would seize his computers as a matter of course and the computer would be scoured for anything that could possibly be deemed to be child pornography. Obviously since most people do not undergo this scrutiny, the vast majority of people that are legally 'in possession' of child pornography on their computers will never be caught.

"All the sites visited by someone on any given computer, and how frequently, will be traceable"

No, not necessarily. You can't make any such assertion. It is possible for the history to be wiped but still traces of images to be on the computer, and vice versa.

"so any accidental visiting or downloading can easily be ruled out by investigators."

Easily, no. If you visit say loydsbank.com (mis-spelling), then it might be owned by cybersquatters, and popup a pornography ad. That pornography would then be on your computer, but the source of it isn't easy to discover at all, because you would need to analyse the source code for the website that popped it up to determine whether you visited it deliberately or not.

"Prosecution would be extremely foolish to go ahead without being able to show the frequency of visits to sites where pornography allegedly popped up,"

Well no, they can lay charges when they find images that look like child pornography on his computer (whether they are in fact illegal, the fact that they appear to be is enough for charges). That's all they need to do. It's for Rolf's lawyers to defend that and perhaps get the charges dropped or at least plead not guilty if appropriate in court.

" and would also be foolish to go ahead without being able to show that images were saved."

Actually if you view a webpage, then the images/text are saved on your computer as part of the process of viewing the page. They will be there without you taking any action at all, and may also be recoverable even if you empty your internet files. In terms of 'possession', then simply viewing a web page would be sufficient. It's not necessary at all to show they were saved.

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SundaySimmons · 30/12/2013 16:00

He has been charged, not found guilty or innocent as yet.

I find it very sad that people do not wait for the outcome of a trial before deciding a person is guilty.

We sometimes see in the news where a man has been accused of rape and it's gone to trial and he had been found completely innocent of any crime, yet he has had a terrible time being witch hunted before the trial because people have to believe the worse.

My cousins met Rolf Harris when they were children and have no bad tales to tell, only a wonderful memory of meeting a lovely man.

Hopefully, the claims will turn out to be spurious as he has always been so well thought of but sadly, if the claims are true then he must be punished for the abuse.

Until then, I'm on the fence until,a trial proves either way.

DoYouLikeMyBaubles · 30/12/2013 16:02

Actually if you view a webpage, then the images/text are saved on your computer as part of the process of viewing the page

No they aren't. You only see the images and text because of the coding involved, images and text aren't saved unless you chose to save them.

AmberLeaf · 30/12/2013 16:29

Yep innocent until proven guilty and all that.

But I think many people are naive about how the CPS decide on which cases will go to trial and the evidence they base their decisions on.

Pimpf · 30/12/2013 18:17

I also know someone who has worked with Rolf over several decades and he is very shocked and doesn't believe it.

But as I said before, none of us know, we should wait until the trial is over.

AgaPanthers · 31/12/2013 01:12

"No they aren't. You only see the images and text because of the coding involved, images and text aren't saved unless you chose to save them."

I'm sorry but you don't know what you are talking about.

www.milincorporated.com/a-temporary-internet-files.html

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mathanxiety · 31/12/2013 02:34

They would look extremely stupid throwing the book at him and then having to take it back. I maintain if they have charged him then they have a serious case.

AgaPanthers · 01/01/2014 16:42

I have no idea, I think in the case where a man is already being charged with multiple sex crimes, adding or dropping a case of possession isn't going to make a lot of difference to their credibility.

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Islenka · 01/01/2014 17:36

I don't know whether he is guilty or not- no verdict yet, after all- but if the photos of the little girl existed anyway (regardless of Rolf Harris' involvement) then poor girl Sad

2rebecca · 10/01/2014 08:17

I like Rolf harris and really hope he's innocent.
On the other hand i don't believe child porn pops up on your computer by accident, its never popped up on mine, although adult porn has although less frequently now than a few years ago, Google maybe tightened things up.
I can imagine if you're an artist searching arty things it might be more likely but it should be obvious to an expert looking at his computer if it popped up accidentally in a search or was deliberately hunted for.

Mintyy · 10/01/2014 08:25

A very upsetting of child abuse appeared on Mumsnet once and several posters clicked on it by accident. It was horrific.

Mintyy · 10/01/2014 08:25

image of child abuse

bumbumsmummy · 10/01/2014 08:50

The worst thing about all this is that we had until very recently allowed a culture of peodophillia can't spell to exist in our society

These so called stars were facilitated by someone and that shocks almost as much as the abuse

NB for anyone thinking that you can just make up these allegations the way the police gather evidence is done in such a way to meet the standard of a trial. The CPS has very strict rules about having sufficient evidence to secure a conviction but ultimately it's the jury who will decide

Not Guilty verdict doesn't mean it didn't happen it just means that on the grounds of probability it was unlikely

We don't have reasonable doubt in the country

2rebecca · 10/01/2014 09:15

Depends which country you are talking about, here in Scotland we have "not proven"

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