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Watch Iain Duncan Smith SNEAK OUT of food banks debate as Tories LAUGH at stories of starving families

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ttosca · 19/12/2013 00:41

IT was the day the Nasty Party showed its true-blue colours – by sneering at the plight of hungry families forced to rely on food banks.

Tory MPs laughed and jeered as they were told how some hard-up shoppers were so desperate they fought to snap up discounted items in supermarkets.

Astonishingly, all the Government ministers from the responsible departments – including Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith – sneaked out after just an hour of the crucial Commons debate.

By then a cowardly IDS had already ducked questions, putting forward his deputy instead.

In one of the most shameful episodes ever witnessed in Parliament, Tory backbenchers sniggered and hooted as Labour MP Fiona MacTaggart told of shocking scenes at her local Tesco in Slough, Berks, as people battled over cut-price fruit and veg.

She said the store had now been forced to draft in extra security.

Almost drowned out by mocking Tory MPs, she asked: “Isn’t that a shocking sign in the 21st century?”

Senior Labour politicians later described the Tories’ callous reaction as “shameful” and “a total disgrace”.

Labour MP Jamie Reed said: “I regret to say the laughter from the Government benches says more about this issue than words ever could.”

His colleague Barry Gardiner said it was “extraordinary” to see Mr Duncan Smith smirking as it was pointed out that half a million people are now using food banks.

And The Trussell Trust, the nation’s largest provider of food banks, said it was “disappointed” by the attitude of those who jeered.

Labour had called the debate after nearly 150,000 people signed a petition backed by the Mirror, the Unite union and The Trussell Trust calling for an inquiry into the growing dependence on food aid.

But Mr Duncan Smith refused to answer for the Government, leaving it to his deputy, Esther McVey.

And in an ill-judged speech, she sparked fury by claiming it was a good thing that more people were turning to food banks.

Incredibly she insisted: “It is positive that people are reaching out to support other people.”

She went on: “In the UK it is right that more people are going to food banks because as times are tough, we are all having to pay back this
£1.5trillion debt personally. We are all trying to live within our means, change gear and make sure that we pay back all our debt.” Labour veteran Sir Gerald Kaufman described her speech as the “nastiest” he had heard in his 43 years as an MP.

Labour’s Lilian Greenwood added: “They are the nasty party through and through. She doesn’t get it and won’t take responsibility.”

Shortly after Ms Mcvey’s performance, Mr Duncan Smith scurried from the chamber, followed by an number of other senior Tories.

Speaker John Bercow said he had no power to stop them, but said the view that it was a disgrace there was no minister there “may be widely shared”. Shadow Environment Secretary Maria Eagle said the increasing need for food banks was a damning indictment of Government policy.

She added: “Since April this year more than 500,000 people have relied on assistance from the 400 food banks run by The Trussell Trust charity, double the number of food banks compared to this time last year.” She added: “It’s a scandal which is getting worse and the Government now has the humiliation of the Red Cross helping to collect and distribute food aid in Britain for the first time since the Second World War.”

Former Labour Cabinet minister Paul Murphy told the Commons he had never seen such poverty in his 40 years as a Welsh politician, apart from during the 1984 Miners’ Strike.

Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary Rachel Reeves told the House: “It’s a tale of two nations – tax cuts for the rich, food banks for the poor.”

Not all Tories joined in the mocking and jeering.

Wycombe MP Steve Baker gave an emotional speech in support of food banks as he revealed how poverty had caused the break-up of his family when he was a child.

He said there was no one to help when his self-employed dad ran out of work. They had to go hungry and his parents eventually split up.

He blamed the current plight of hard-up families on politicians pretending there is a “magic wand” to solve the problem.

Mr Baker said 12,000 children in Buckinghamshire were currently living in poverty, with one in five in his constituency going to bed hungry, rising to one in three in some areas.

He added: “It is a scandalous indictment of the safety net that is the welfare state.”

But Tory and Lib Dem MPs banded together to defeat Labour’s motion, calling on the Government to reduce dependency on food banks, by 294 votes to 251, a majority of 43.

Food banks give a minimum of three days’ emergency food to people facing crisis in the UK.

People are referred by care professionals though a voucher system to ensure only genuine cases receive help.

Vouchers are also held by Jobcentre Plus for emergency distribution.

Each food bank is run in partnership with a local church or community. All food is donated by the public.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/food-banks-debate-video-iain-2941100

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Mary1972 · 26/12/2013 13:44

It is as flatpack said. We ofetn have recessions and crashes as economies work in cycles - we have had them before and will have them again but if you run your country prudently as Thatcher and the current Government did/do you can ride out the storm. Labour instead were useless so today people suffer. The biggest hit has been on the rich who every survey done shows have paid much much more tax than anyone else as a result not that we expect anyone to thank us for it. 1% of us pay 30% of the cost of this country.

DoctorTwoTurtleDoves · 26/12/2013 17:23

The biggest hit has been on the rich.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! You mean those same rich people who're just about to be handed a 10% tax cut? The same 1% that are raking it in whilst the rest of us suffer? The same 1% who've seen their pay increase by a massive amount whilst many of us suffer pay cuts or at best a pay freeze? Or is there a different 1% that I know nothing about?

Mary1972 · 26/12/2013 20:00

"But this year, the lower-paid half of British workers will be asked for less than 10pc of all income tax collected, the lowest proportion ever. The richest 1pc will contribute almost 30pc, the highest in recorded history. Osborne is actually squeezing the rich harder than any Labour Chancellor ever did "

DoctorTwoTurtleDoves · 27/12/2013 08:07

Bullshit.

NoseWiperExtraordinaire · 27/12/2013 13:48

The biggest hit has been on the rich.

The biggest hardship and knock-on effects of cuts are felt by the poorest; in terms of daily living, health and life expectancy. Totally and utterly INCOMPARABLE to what is felt by the rich, which can only be measured financially.

There are also MORE poor people than rich, so many more affected.

When the rich experience real hardship which directly affects health and life expectancy, I MAY start to listen to their otherwise poor excuse for logical reasoning.

Mary1972 · 27/12/2013 17:13

However you cannot dispute the fact in my quote - that the rich have borne much more of the burden than the poor. I don't expect anyone to kiss my feet in thanks of course but the rich have very much done their bit in this recession and it's very galling if you work extremely hard and pay a lot of tax that no one seems even to realise how much more you are paying and how much harder you are working to keep the less well off.

nonmifairidere · 27/12/2013 19:55

Oh Mary1972, thank you for your sacrifice. Quite heartbreaking, how you are suffering. All those lazy bastards loafing around on minimum wage, haven't got a clue about such selflessness. I feel your pain, I really do. And now back to reality

Rufustherednosedreindeer · 27/12/2013 20:40

marys statement is quite correct! the rich have been hardest hit in relation to tax

The poor are obviously struggling, prices for food and utilities going up, no pay rises (2% of fuckall is fuckall) but that's not really what she was talking about

I think with the best will in the world if you are not poor at the moment then you have no idea....and your average MP of whichever political party is not poor , and probably hasn't been for a long time

Rufustherednosedreindeer · 27/12/2013 20:49

Sorry there is not supposed to be an exclamation mark after the word correct

I don't agree that much with Mary's statement!

Allofaflumble · 27/12/2013 22:02

They all drink in the same bar afterwards, no doubt congratulating each other on their performances.

When are people going to wake up and see that they are following the same agenda? It is a relay. One hands the torch to the other and so it goes on......... I can't understand how any thinking person can fall for this Labour vs the nasty Tories bollards

claig · 27/12/2013 23:19

'They all drink in the same bar afterwards'

Is that the House of Commons subsidised bar?

Floisme · 28/12/2013 13:24

Mary1972 please could you give some examples of what you personally are having to go without as a result of this 'squeeze' on the rich?

flatpackhamster · 28/12/2013 15:52

DoctorTwoTurtleDoves

Northern Rock isn't Scottish. Sorry, wasn't.

Either you knew what I meant and were desperately trying to ignore that I was clearly referring to HBOS and RBS, or you had no idea that the primary motivation for the banking bailout was to save Labour voters' jobs.
Northern Rock was based in Newcastle, of course, which was another Labour area.

Mary1972 · 28/12/2013 18:13

The rich have been hardest hit. I certainly agree with rufus' post (and Doctor2). Plenty of middle earners have no pay rises and been moved to 4 day weeks whilst there have been benefit increases (1% in 2012 I think whilst those who work have often had none at all).

If I and others like I am did not work those unable or unwilling to find jobs would not eat. I just think a bit of gratitude might be sensible and a pat on the back for all those hardworking middle and upper earner women who work full time and pay loads of tax.

timidviper · 28/12/2013 18:29

Caitlin Moran's column in Times Magazine today sums up my feelings on this, I would link if I could but don't think I can to the Times (I get the paper copy). We have two "sides" here, both of whom are standing for policies that have not worked in the past, but there is no option to vote to find some common sense empirical way while the powers that be carve things up between the two established sides.

Mary1972, while your assertion may be correct that the better off pay more, I think it is a bit rich (if you'll pardon the pun) to expect people who are really struggling to feel gratitude for that extra bit of misery they are saved from

flatpackhamster · 28/12/2013 18:56

Mary1972

If I and others like I am did not work those unable or unwilling to find jobs would not eat. I just think a bit of gratitude might be sensible and a pat on the back for all those hardworking middle and upper earner women who work full time and pay loads of tax.

I had some sympathy for your point of view earlier, but now you're coming across as priggish and just as vile as the handout junkies.

flatpackhamster · 28/12/2013 18:58

timidviper

Mary1972, while your assertion may be correct that the better off pay more, I think it is a bit rich (if you'll pardon the pun) to expect people who are really struggling to feel gratitude for that extra bit of misery they are saved from

She is correct, whether the class warriors who live here like it or not. The top 1% pay 30% of income tax. They are also net contributors unlike the majority of the country. Believe it or not you have to be earning a salary of around £35,000 before you become a net lifetime contributor to the country's coffers.

Floisme · 28/12/2013 19:09

Mary1972 you did not answer my question. You keep repeating your assertion that the rich have been hardest hit but what kind of sacrifices are you having to make as a result?

ManifestoMT · 28/12/2013 21:43

I think mary1972 missed out on her ski trip this winter

Don't pick on her she is smarting from the indignity of it.

flatpackhamster · 29/12/2013 07:56

Floisme
Mary1972 you did not answer my question. You keep repeating your assertion that the rich have been hardest hit but what kind of sacrifices are you having to make as a result?

I don't think that making this personal is going to advance the discussion. It looks like bullying to me.

I know several families who have had to pull the kids out of private school and sell their houses and move to smaller places in different areas. Whilst that may sound insignificant to the class warriors, the further you climb the ladder the harder it hurts when you fall.

I also know of one family where the husband killed himself after losing his high-powered job.

DoctorTwoTurtleDoves · 29/12/2013 08:31

flatpackhamster

just as vile as the handout junkies.

The royal family? Oil companies? Global corporations who pay less than a living wage? The banks who have been subsidised with billions whilst paying the bosses and some employees those same billions in bonuses? Especially RBS, who according to many, including Neil Mitchell of rbsgrgbusinessactiongroup.org effectively forced many businesses into receivership and many people into personal bankruptcy.

So you know a man who killed himself after losing his job. Stephanie Bottrill walked in front of a lorry after being threatened with eviction due to the bedroom tax. There are many more who kill themselves as they see no hope due to this governments policies.

Under this government we have socialism for corporations and capitalism for the rest of us.

Floisme · 29/12/2013 09:54

Flatpack, thank you for intervening on Mary1972's behalf. Do you really consider me a class warrior? How interesting. Anyway I will concede that I was asking for personal information, however it was Mary1972 who freely and repeatedly claimed that she was 'taking the biggest hit' and I think it is perfectly reasonable to ask her to clarify this.

I am sorry you do not consider this to be advancing the argument but, in my opinion, it gets to the very heart of it. To claim that someone earning say, 200k pays more tax than someone on 20k is stating the obvious; what is more interesting to me is how this impacts on them. However if Mary1972 thinks I was bullying her then I will, of course, apologise.

Mary1972 · 29/12/2013 10:08

Actually I really did get back from a ski trip last night. The fact is that those on upper earnings are paying more and more of the cost of this recession. We get on with it but I suspect the state and those less well off might get a bit more out of us if they showed some appreciation. There was that UK businessman who pays more tax than anyone - can't remember the figure £20m a year or something, has no off shore vehicles and pays up - that sort of person ought to be praised so others follow his example. We don't do that in the UK. We just do jealousy. Boris J was right on this topic recently.

I never said anywhere I had gone without food etc because I am in that 1% who pay 30% of the tax that is paid. Like many people we have a mortgage and no savings. If tax were lower I might have savings. I suspect some middle earnings have more savings than I do but I will keep working 50 weeks a year 6 to 7 days a week and build some up. All will be well (even with massive tax bill coming up next month).

I don't feel bullied at all. I know I am lucky that I made wise career choices and worked harder than most people as a teenager and in my 20s and it paid off. Not everyone makes or is able to make the same choices. Many people want jobs and cannot get them although very recently my student age child did get a postman job. In some parts of the country there are indeed jobs - things are getting a bit better and it can make sense to move where work is even if you end up sleeping on a friend's floor or doing a houseshare like my older children do.

ohtanmybum · 29/12/2013 10:42

And the prize for stealth and humility boasting, and damning with faint praise, all in one post goes to .....

NoseWiperExtraordinaire · 29/12/2013 12:00

The spirit of Xenia lives on!

FWIW I appreciate all those who humbly contribute their best to society, in whatever way they do, so a high earner no more, no less, than a street cleaner. It is unquestionably right that those who can afford more in tax do; their praise and acknowledgement are in the pay packets they receive and in the comfort of not worrying where the next meal is coming from.

I'd suggest to anyone who is struggling with this concept might benefit from spending time voluntarily in a homeless shelter or soup kitchen, or watching "It's A Wonderful Life" Smile.

But to demand praise for high tax payers whilst completely disregarding and dismissing those who are experiencing real hardship as a direct result of the "we're in it together" cuts is callous, heartless and really not very nice.

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