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Watch Iain Duncan Smith SNEAK OUT of food banks debate as Tories LAUGH at stories of starving families

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ttosca · 19/12/2013 00:41

IT was the day the Nasty Party showed its true-blue colours – by sneering at the plight of hungry families forced to rely on food banks.

Tory MPs laughed and jeered as they were told how some hard-up shoppers were so desperate they fought to snap up discounted items in supermarkets.

Astonishingly, all the Government ministers from the responsible departments – including Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith – sneaked out after just an hour of the crucial Commons debate.

By then a cowardly IDS had already ducked questions, putting forward his deputy instead.

In one of the most shameful episodes ever witnessed in Parliament, Tory backbenchers sniggered and hooted as Labour MP Fiona MacTaggart told of shocking scenes at her local Tesco in Slough, Berks, as people battled over cut-price fruit and veg.

She said the store had now been forced to draft in extra security.

Almost drowned out by mocking Tory MPs, she asked: “Isn’t that a shocking sign in the 21st century?”

Senior Labour politicians later described the Tories’ callous reaction as “shameful” and “a total disgrace”.

Labour MP Jamie Reed said: “I regret to say the laughter from the Government benches says more about this issue than words ever could.”

His colleague Barry Gardiner said it was “extraordinary” to see Mr Duncan Smith smirking as it was pointed out that half a million people are now using food banks.

And The Trussell Trust, the nation’s largest provider of food banks, said it was “disappointed” by the attitude of those who jeered.

Labour had called the debate after nearly 150,000 people signed a petition backed by the Mirror, the Unite union and The Trussell Trust calling for an inquiry into the growing dependence on food aid.

But Mr Duncan Smith refused to answer for the Government, leaving it to his deputy, Esther McVey.

And in an ill-judged speech, she sparked fury by claiming it was a good thing that more people were turning to food banks.

Incredibly she insisted: “It is positive that people are reaching out to support other people.”

She went on: “In the UK it is right that more people are going to food banks because as times are tough, we are all having to pay back this
£1.5trillion debt personally. We are all trying to live within our means, change gear and make sure that we pay back all our debt.” Labour veteran Sir Gerald Kaufman described her speech as the “nastiest” he had heard in his 43 years as an MP.

Labour’s Lilian Greenwood added: “They are the nasty party through and through. She doesn’t get it and won’t take responsibility.”

Shortly after Ms Mcvey’s performance, Mr Duncan Smith scurried from the chamber, followed by an number of other senior Tories.

Speaker John Bercow said he had no power to stop them, but said the view that it was a disgrace there was no minister there “may be widely shared”. Shadow Environment Secretary Maria Eagle said the increasing need for food banks was a damning indictment of Government policy.

She added: “Since April this year more than 500,000 people have relied on assistance from the 400 food banks run by The Trussell Trust charity, double the number of food banks compared to this time last year.” She added: “It’s a scandal which is getting worse and the Government now has the humiliation of the Red Cross helping to collect and distribute food aid in Britain for the first time since the Second World War.”

Former Labour Cabinet minister Paul Murphy told the Commons he had never seen such poverty in his 40 years as a Welsh politician, apart from during the 1984 Miners’ Strike.

Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary Rachel Reeves told the House: “It’s a tale of two nations – tax cuts for the rich, food banks for the poor.”

Not all Tories joined in the mocking and jeering.

Wycombe MP Steve Baker gave an emotional speech in support of food banks as he revealed how poverty had caused the break-up of his family when he was a child.

He said there was no one to help when his self-employed dad ran out of work. They had to go hungry and his parents eventually split up.

He blamed the current plight of hard-up families on politicians pretending there is a “magic wand” to solve the problem.

Mr Baker said 12,000 children in Buckinghamshire were currently living in poverty, with one in five in his constituency going to bed hungry, rising to one in three in some areas.

He added: “It is a scandalous indictment of the safety net that is the welfare state.”

But Tory and Lib Dem MPs banded together to defeat Labour’s motion, calling on the Government to reduce dependency on food banks, by 294 votes to 251, a majority of 43.

Food banks give a minimum of three days’ emergency food to people facing crisis in the UK.

People are referred by care professionals though a voucher system to ensure only genuine cases receive help.

Vouchers are also held by Jobcentre Plus for emergency distribution.

Each food bank is run in partnership with a local church or community. All food is donated by the public.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/food-banks-debate-video-iain-2941100

OP posts:
TheGreatHunt · 19/12/2013 22:52

They are not held accountable in the chamber. They don't have to go.

Also most people don't watch it!

GobbySadcase · 19/12/2013 22:55

the list of shame

claig · 19/12/2013 22:55

'They are not held accountable in the chamber. They don't have to go. '

Yes, I agree with you there. The debate was fairly empty, particularly on the government benches and that is wrong in my opinion.

Yes, most people don't watch it, but without this "laughter" as reported in the Daily Mirror, even fewer people would have heard about this debate.

HECTheHeraldAngelsSing · 20/12/2013 07:49

I don't want to see drama. I see what you are saying but I think well if I want to see theatre then I know where to go for it. If I want to see jezza stylee I know where to get that too. If they actually do treat the house like a game because there is no point seriously debating because the people wouldnt care/understand then that's MORE insultingnnot less!
Let us jeer and cheer in here and leave the actual stuff behind closed doors?
so when do they all get together and seriously and respectfully debate and raise issues? Or are most mps utterly pointless and just on the gravy train for show while small committees get on with it behind closed doors?

I think we would be able to tell much more by hearing their reasonable and articulate debate on issues than we ever can in umpteen hours of cheap shots and exchanges about how badly each other has done when they were in power!
I dont want to hear how bad the other side was 10 years ago! I want to here what is going to be done about an actual issue!
but they believe that the majority of the british public are more interested in eastenders, strictly come dancing and the jungle thing than they are in the running of this country, current and world affairs.
and I think they like it that way! I dont think they want an interested and invested population. We might actually demand genuine change.

Not a change of lizard.

(Douglas adams Grin )

IndiansInTheLobby · 20/12/2013 08:02

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claig · 20/12/2013 08:27

"so when do they all get together and seriously and respectfully debate and raise issues? Or are most mps utterly pointless and just on the gravy train for show while small committees get on with it behind closed doors?"

I'm no expert on it, but from what I can tell, they aren't able to get together seriously and change policy except if there is a vote about an issue, such as when they thankfully stopped the rush to bomb Syria which some of our leaders were in favour of before the UN had even had the chance to investigate which side had used chemical weapons etc

There is a lot of theatre because it is a bit of a show and lots of it is for show because individual backbenchers don't have much power against the whips and all the rest. I personally would hate to see teh theatre go, because without the theatre and teh drama, the show would become so flat that it wouldn't even make the news headlines at all, and the actors in the House would only be participants in a B-movie.

HECTheHeraldAngelsSing · 20/12/2013 08:53

It would just be about running the country, eh?
Grin

I just find it childish. Serious, reasoned debate about important issues is not (granted, imo) dull.

claig · 20/12/2013 10:46

HEC, what about Prime Minister's Question Time?
Do you not like that?

I sometimes watch it and it is entertaining and we can watch how Cameron gets angry and red in the face under pressure or Ed Balls gets red in the face under pressure. It is watched worldwide because it is entertaining. I have watched some of the goings on in other parliaments and frankly it is less exciting than watching paint dry.

I hope we never get rid of our system. Because for all its flaws, it is good entertainment and worth watching and listening to.

HECTheHeraldAngelsSing · 20/12/2013 11:01

No. In all honesty, I'd rather watch adults discuss things calmly and rationally, giving their points in a logical way and with evidence to back them up - and with suggested solutions! with the aim of reaching agreement on issues and agreeing what action if any needs to be taken.

I don't want to be entertained by it, I want to feel that the people we trust to govern take that responsibility seriously and are concerned only with finding a way to make the best decisions possible under whatever circumstances exist at the time.

Elfhame · 20/12/2013 11:40

Sometimes I tune in to Prime Minister's questions looking for edified discourse and feel like giving up and watching Jeremy Kyle instead.

Elfhame · 20/12/2013 11:48

The should give Jezza the speakers job IMO

ProfondoRosso · 20/12/2013 12:03

Claig, I don't feel PMQT or the HoC are appropriate platforms for theatre. Yes, politics is a business where there has always been lively, spirited debate, but if I want entertainment, I'll watch Honey Boo Boo.

I want to see them taking our concerns seriously. All this backbench booing and heckling is just boorish and completely disrespectful. Playing dirty gets no respect from me.

If you went to the hospital, saw a team of specialists because you were unwell and you felt they were making light of your situation and trying to score points each other and knock other specialists' fitness for practice, you'd be outraged. And frightened. That's how this makes me feel.

When kids go to school, they get a code of conduct, telling them how to behave in a respectful, appropriate way. I don't see why MPs shouldn't be subject to something similar. If Primary One children behaved like this in a classroom, it would be punishment exercises all round. And they're not making decisions on the lives of the British people!

claig · 20/12/2013 12:18

Good points, ProfondoRosso.

But I think they are actors in parliament taking part in a tragi-comedy.

The speaker, Bercow, is a great performer and a good laugh when he says things like

I advise the Honourable Member to take up yoga and meditation to learn to calm down

or

I don't care. It will just take longer. We'll get through it and the Honourable member will be heard!

The Leader of the Opposition must be heard!

M0naLisa · 20/12/2013 23:45

Fucking disgusting.

We've been there. Not eating so
Our children can eat.

flatpackhamster · 21/12/2013 09:56

lottieandmia

How thick do you have to be to realise that it is totally indefensible to laugh about the fact that some people are so poor they cannot even buy food now (I refer to the twats in government)? Whatever the context - this is a shit way to behave, whatever party you're from. But since the tory bastards are running the country it's even worse from them.

How thick do you have to be to realise that they aren't laughing about people being hungry?

About as thick as a socialist, it seems.

CustardoPaidforIDSsYFronts · 21/12/2013 22:49

who has identified themselves as a socialist

and how thick are they?

CustardoPaidforIDSsYFronts · 21/12/2013 22:49

socialists* that is

Mary1972 · 26/12/2013 07:01

The link to the transcript of the debate is the better item to read.

Only the Tories can be trusted properly to feed the poor and look after this country. Labour left an utter mess.

DoctorTwoTurtleDoves · 26/12/2013 07:21

Labour left an utter mess

The mess was caused by the banks and an economic system based on nothing more than the price of property and a bloated financial sector. That Gidiot and chums are betting that house prices continue to rise is nothing short of stupid.

To get back on topic, these thieving bastards neither know nor care how many people live, they're protected in their little bubble.

Mary1972 · 26/12/2013 08:48

We will have agree to differ ove the cause of the crash. The bottom line was that labour spent what it did not habev. Every housewife in the land knows you should not do that. They did a spend spend spend policy which bankrupted the nation.

MyMILisfromHELL · 26/12/2013 09:22

Disgusting shower of shite! I shall be voting for the Green Party come 2015. Vile pigs the lot of them!

DoctorTwoTurtleDoves · 26/12/2013 10:17

The bottom line was that labour spent what it did not habev. Every housewife in the land knows you should not do that. They did a spend spend spend policy which bankrupted the nation.

The reason they ran out of money is they spent it all rescuing the banks. Now Gidiot is busy almost doubling the deficit and increasing the national debt we've even less. The corrupt banks need shutting down. All of them. Start with RBS and go from there.

flatpackhamster · 26/12/2013 11:37

DoctorTwoTurtleDoves

The reason they ran out of money is they spent it all rescuing the banks.

Labour ran a structural deficit from 2001 to 2010. The bank bailout happened in 2007/8.

Labour doubled spending without raising taxes enough to cover the difference.

Now Gidiot is busy almost doubling the deficit and increasing the national debt we've even less. The corrupt banks need shutting down. All of them. Start with RBS and go from there.

You could make the argument that the banking bailout was a mistake (although you don't seem able to make an actual argument but just spit venom) and I wouldn't disagree with you. The banks which needed bailing out should have been left to fold. The problem was institutional corruption in the Labour party which meant that Scottish jobs at Scottish banks were more important than the UK economy.

DoctorTwoTurtleDoves · 26/12/2013 12:51

Northern Rock isn't Scottish. Sorry, wasn't.

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