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So it's alleged nigella took drugs with her kids?

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Bradsplit · 26/11/2013 15:09

In the trial prosecution evidence. Aha.

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Slipshodsibyl · 01/12/2013 10:39

No Frilly, but their role was supervising children and teenagers living in high socio-economic circumstances and therefore mixing with people similarly endowed. The lines are necessarily blurred unless they are expected to follow their charges around like a Victorian governess, or, in more modern times, a Philippina helper.

saragossa2010 · 01/12/2013 12:39

Today's Sunday Times is interesting on this.
NL was going to give evidence in the trial. She then withdrew which annoyed Saatchi. It is not great to say you will give evidence and then change your mind. If she were not prepared to do so why say so originally?
CS then apparently said if she would not testify he would sue her for the return of the money incurred by what seem historically at least to have been her staff.

NL wanted the sisters gone when the "thefts" came to light and CS suggested instead the deal for repayment.

NL was spending about £7000 a month on the credit care which seems reasonable given their lifestyle and the sisters were spending £48k and £28k respectively. and another personal assistant was spending £8000.

CS says he may have believed NL was taking drugs but he never saw her doing so so has no evidence.

duchesse · 01/12/2013 12:44

So Saatchi is still besmirching his wife in a way that will not open him up to a libel suit as it's produced in "evidence". He has the might of a 1000 PR people working on continuing to harass the poor woman. Nice man... Hmm

duchesse · 01/12/2013 12:47

Also my opinion is that these sisters are a pair of thieves. I hope they get a custodial sentence. Spending that amount of money is outrageous. Hurrah for the accountant. I don't give a shit how much money a person has, theft is theft.

NL's spending seems very moderate in their circumstances. Just why the feck did they keep the two hangers-on "employed" for so long?

TheDoctrineOfWho · 01/12/2013 13:01

Bonsoir, Nigella had five assistants. So it seems unlikely all were on duty 24 hours a day.

Bonsoir · 01/12/2013 13:46

Francesca Grillo was the one who lived in the house (not in servants quarters) and took the children on holiday on her own.

Minutewaltz · 01/12/2013 13:47

Duchess - yes, I agree with what you say. Also, it seems extraordinary that the sisters were able to carry on spending at that level for so long.

duchesse · 01/12/2013 13:51

Actually, after reading www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/10151086/Charles-Saatchi-and-Nigella-Lawsons-row-over-assistants-who-misappropriated-funds.html I think I understand better why they stayed. Especially if NL was unhappy in her marriage to CS- they might have represented a lot of stability and friendship. Sad Maybe they were doing it to get back at CS for his behaviour to their employer, who knows?

They're still thieves though.

duchesse · 01/12/2013 13:51

Sorry.

SauceForTheGander · 01/12/2013 13:53

£30k is not a tiny salary in London for a live in house keeper.

The DCs aren't little either so there's little 24hr care required.

The North London / Hampstead nannies I know are on £30k plus granny flat and most definitely are working 24hrs and weekends when required.

duchesse · 01/12/2013 13:54

£30,000 pocket money is immense! They had no living expenses (including food). It's basically £2000 in pin/shoe/holiday money. A month.

Bonsoir · 01/12/2013 13:55

You are not comparing like with like. A nanny in an UMC household is not the same thing as a live-in in loco parentis person. There is a huge difference and I happen to know the salaries of such people in Paris and they are closer to EUR100K. Just for the declared part.

duchesse · 01/12/2013 13:57

Bonsoir, if you factored in London rent and food and bills etc, I think you'd find their salary was closer to £80,000, which is basically the same as the figure you just quoted.

Bonsoir · 01/12/2013 13:59

No it's not. Living in is not a benefit in kind worth the value of the rent.

Bonsoir · 01/12/2013 14:00

And I was talking about EUR 100K live-in, all bills met, all food met, use of chauffeur etc.

SauceForTheGander · 01/12/2013 14:01

The nannies I know are living in and are loco parentis a d are on £30k with no bills and no rent to pay and this is considered a good salary.

Bonsoir · 01/12/2013 14:05

We are going round in circles. It's a bit like saying: I know a secretary on £18K, ergo £18K is what all secretaries should earn.

When we all know that senior secretaries in the city earn far more than that.

saragossa2010 · 01/12/2013 15:27

Very few people think the sums being taken were sanctioned or allowed. They were 4 and 8 times what the other PA spent and as soon as NL found out she wanted them sacked immediately apparently. I think everyone was shocked.

It is a bit like that Goldman Sachs secretary who plundered accounts for years and the couple both earned so much they did not notice (which illustrates the importance of checking things even if you are rich). She stole £4.4m before anyone noticed. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1455422/Secretary-told-me-I-stole-1.3m.-Im-going-down.html

Bonsoir · 01/12/2013 17:58

The boundaries seem extremely blurry from the outside. What was and wasn't allowed doesn't seem to have been set out in any formal way. And why, indeed, would it have been. Clearly the PAs were allowed to spend a certain amount on themselves.

OddFodd · 01/12/2013 18:30

Some people clearly have too much money

nooka · 01/12/2013 18:41

I don't think that there is much point in comparing the sister's credit card bills with Nigella's though as a chunk of their spending was on their employers behalf. i image disentangling the two would be tricky. After all their limits were raised twice, so it must have been felt that there was a legitimate reason for them to be spending very large amounts of money.

Clearly things got completely out of hand, but I'd bet that was a gradual thing, a little bit here and there to start with, possibly condoned, and then as things got more chaotic the dipping got bigger and more routine.

Fraud specialist use something called the fraud triangle:

*Incentive/Pressure Pressure, such as a financial need, is the “motive” for committing the fraud. One common pressure is a gambling problem.
*Rationalization The person committing the fraud frequently rationalizes the fraud. Rationalizations may include, “I’ll pay the money back”, “They will never miss the funds”, or “They don’t pay me enough.”
*Opportunity The person committing the fraud sees an internal control weakness and, believing no one will notice if funds are taken, begins the fraud with a small amount of money. If no one notices, the amount will usually grow larger.

Not sure what the pressure might have been here, but the rationalisation and opportunity seem clear enough.

Bonsoir · 01/12/2013 18:49

The first fraud committed in this particular instance is the one whereby the CS-NL establishment decided that the PAs should be paid partly in kind rather than through salary.

TheDoctrineOfWho · 01/12/2013 19:10

That may be true Bonsoir and HMRC may well be waiting in the wings with an NI bill depending on the outcome of this case.

Bonsoir · 01/12/2013 19:15

I actually think that this case would do well to find the Grillo sisters not guilty and the CS-NL establishment guilty of fraud and improper employment practices. A lot of people might wake up to a few truths...

Earningsthread · 01/12/2013 19:19

Don't believe in the coke habit thing. I don't know if you have ever met any people with coke habits. I have met a few. The one thing they all have in common is that they are thin. Nigella is not - she seems to personify the word voluptuous. She has not got a drug habit. She might have indulged on the odd occasion but she is not a regular user. I would bet my house on it. It is CS being a twat.