Has the world gone completely mad??

[IrnBruTheNoo]

What's with all the shocking stories?? Bloody hell, you couldn't even make this up :(

And they're making money out of it. The dark side to freedom of speech....

www.examiner.com/article/another-couple-found-guilty-of-murder-for-parenting-by-to-train-up-a-child

That's harrowing. This quote from the author "I could break his anger in two days. He would be too scared to get angry. On the third day he would draw into a quiet shell and obey" is absolutely chilling - my heart breaks for any child who has parents that follow this.

It's truly sickening isn't it? How anyone can treat another human being like this is beyond me. It is incomprehensible.

who thinks this book is worth spending money on to print? who thinks that having kids who obey without thought are going to make good adults?
I would like the publishers and distributors of this book punished as much as the parents

We used to follow similar shit to this. Until we got a fucking clue.

Is Amazon still selling this shit?

That's awful I do hope that reputable bookstores and online sellers (eg Amazon) refuse to stock that book - does anyone know?

Still available on Amazon AFAIK, and we still have plenty of friends who follow it.

Gotta love the front cover !! Sucker people in with a pic of a happy smiling toddler.

I can't believe it was ever printed. What are the sellers thinking. I hope the authors and the parents of the hurt /killed children rot in hell

Have just checked, you can buy this shit on amazon :( Surely this shouldn't be allowed Disgusting

"Still available on Amazon AFAIK, and we still have plenty of friends who follow it." WHY are those people still your friends? Are you in the states? fuck, if i found that book in anyone's house that i knew, i;d be calling social services

So we need to alert Amazon and get them to stop selling this book. It occurs to me that, in the UK at least, selling it after having its contents drawn to their attention might constitute a criminal offence as it is inciting violence at a level that is illegal in the UK. Anyone know how to contact them at a senior level?

I use friends in it's broadest sense. People of our acquaintance sound better? The whole thing is about breaking the child's will. It's utterly brutal. Can't tell you the relief I felt the day we decided never to hit our children again.

The first chapter in that book is called "switch your child" and goes on to talk about not swapping (which is what i thought) but setting up training sessions using something the child wants and then "switching" their hands until they learn that grabbing things results in punishment . Then there is another chapter about "the rod" and "applying the rod" They actually think you should hit your fucking child before it even does anything wrong - i actually feel sick - These bastards should be in prison, not making $1.7 million dollars a year.

I agree with prof plum - how do we do this???

0208 636 9280 is the PR number.

PaulMcGannsmistress Can you explain why you started using these kind of techniques? I understand you realised it was wrong but I can't help reading the description and thinking you've got to be pretty messed up to think this is the right way to treat your child.

I read that article and felt that couple must have been abusive hideous people, not just misled by a parenting book?

Oh definitely messed up - brain washed into something called Patriarchal Christianity which is what the Pearls are into - wifely submission and all that.

Can we start by writing lots of reviews on the book?

Could ask NSPCC CEO to write an official one ?

www.amazon.co.uk/To-Train-Up-Child-children/dp/1892112000/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1384864748&sr=8-1&keywords=to+train+up+a+child

Already a number of bad reviews, thankfully. Always room for more!

Disgusting book. I contacted Amazon and told them that they will not see a penny from me anymore until they withdraw this book. Apparently most online retailers started pulling it.

lulastic.co.uk/activism/online-retailers-begin-pulling-to-train-up-a-child/

Worth MN taking a stand too, I think? I also wonder if it is legal to justify such child abuse?

But to be clear, the book we used was called Shepherding a Child's Heart by Tedd Tripp, not the Pearl's book.

Cross posted, I see. The NSPPC issued a statement, I see:

www.nspcc.org.uk/news-and-views/media-centre/press-releases/2013/Parenting-book-on-Amazon/public-call-for-amazon-to-remove-book_wdn99694.html

I am not a member of Amazon but can randoms just write a bad review?

Another bad review just gone in. I am going to save a fortune not spending money with Amazon until they remove this book from sale.

And how exactly is this better, PaulMcGanns? From what I see it still advocates hitting a child on the bare bottocks so it causes pain... all in the name of religion. I feel sick.