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A journalist writes: why can't we all just be nice to each other?

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Gizmo · 06/07/2006 09:05

Oh, the delicious irony.
From the paper that regularly brings you India Knight, John Simpson and various other commentators fulminating on what is wrong with modern mothers, here?s a prolonged whinge about how judgemental other parents are.
Another piece of lightweight, anecdotal journalism based on the fact that it sounds like her friends are a bit crap. Given some spurious authority by a quick telephone call to an author who may not be entirely unbiased on the subject?.
Yes, I know other parents make judgements (and ? newsflash, Ms Llewellyn Smith - not just about your children) but you only have to look at Mumsnet to know that they?re also a source of excellent support. Shame loads of new mums are going to be put off seeking this support by this load of bullshit.
Snort. Waste of newsprint.

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JanH · 06/07/2006 11:14

Who are you calling a bad mother
Since giving birth to her daughter Sasha, Julia Llewellyn Smith has been shocked by just how bitchy parents can be to each other

When pregnant for the first time two years ago with my daughter Sasha I became a target for the usual fusillade of gloomy warnings. ?Your body will never be the same, say goodbye to sleep, your life will change forever.? The only original line I heard came from a friend who said: ?As soon as you become a parent you become incredibly judgmental. For the rest of your life you?ll be looking down on other people and they?ll be looking down on you.?
What could she mean, I puzzled. It didn?t take long to find out. From the earliest days of Sasha?s life I was having to explain to disapproving faces at the baby clinic that I?d had a caesarean section because she was a breech baby, not because I was too posh to push. From then on, I found myself continually defending my chosen style of child-rearing (slavish attachment to strict Gina Ford routines) to pursed-lip other mothers.

They thought I was a devil for muttering there was something to this controlled crying business. James, my boyfriend, and I thought they were drips for letting their children sleep and eat whenever they wanted. ?No wonder X is so slow at crawling,? we?d snort. ?Without regular naps, he?s always exhausted.? At the same time, lips curled when I revealed I was still breastfeeding at 13 months. ?It?s a very personal decision,? my so-called friends and I would agree, before they went home to bitch about what a hippie I was and I rolled my eyes at the fact their formula-fed infants were always getting colds.

Somehow I kidded myself that things would be different once the mad days of babyhood had passed, but now Sasha?s a toddler, it?s getting worse. Virtually every day James and I tut about parents who tolerate their children getting repeatedly out of bed (?Why don?t they just put a rope on the door??) or whose toddlers are still drinking from a bottle (?Don?t they know how bad it is for their teeth??).

Then, a few weeks ago, I was at a first birthday party in the nappy valley of Crouch End, north London. A chocolate cake appeared, I took a slice, and, to silence her yelps, gave a chunk to Sasha. She demanded another, then another. I realised silence had fallen. Looking around, I felt like Marie Antoinette at the guillotine. ?Does Sasha eat sugar?? one mother asked in much the same way you might inquire if I fed her arsenic. It reminded me of Gwyneth Paltrow?s remark that she would rather ?die than let her child eat Cup-a-Soup?.

All the way home, James and I carped about neurotic, middle-class parents. ?A glass of Coke and a KitKat never did us any harm,? we justified to ourselves, while meanwhile the houses of north London buzzed with horror at the aftermath of their visit from Wayne and Waynetta Slob.

Professor Frank Furedi, author of Paranoid Parenting, knows what I?m talking about. ?Our grandparents would never have criticised other parents, now we do it all the time, so much so it shocks me,? he says. ?Once bringing up a child used to be a matter of this choice as opposed to that, now we?ve become much more emotionally involved in the process it?s about saying, ?This is my identity?. When you see other parents doing it another way it criticises your very sense of self.

?I am very laid back about what my kid eats ? I don?t do any of this Jamie Oliver stuff ? but I told this to a parent who was vegetarian and she was utterly shocked. It wasn?t a question of what I fed my child, it was because I was calling into question her integrity as an individual and her whole moral outlook and to her that made me an evil person.?

Looking ahead, it can only get worse. The number of activities scheduled into your child?s day, the amount of pocket money allowed, what school she attends (put her down too early for your favoured institution and people will deride your pushiness, leave it too late and she?ll never get A-levels/a degree/a job/a life), taking her out of school early for holidays ? the comparisons will be endless.

If you?re like Fergie and snuggle up with your children in front of DVDs all day, then you might as well call in the NSPCC, if you?re like Madonna and ban television than you?re a humourless martinet. I?ll think parents who let their teenagers drink, smoke and have sex under their roof are irresponsible and lazy; they?ll think I am putting my head in the sand when it comes to the realities of adolescent life.

Naturally, the biggest issue is working mothers. As someone who works part-time from home, I am able to condemn both the stay-at-homes, whose horizons extend as far as the next school jumble sale, and the selfish full-timers who might as well not have had children for all they see them. Of course, both sides have an equal dig back at me ? the first lot were shocked when I found a nanny when Sasha was only 10 weeks old, the second think my work is just a silly hobby, that I try to squeeze between Gymboree classes.

The government hasn?t helped: state-funded parenting classes, magazines and helplines abound, along with endless initiatives such as home-school contracts to make us aware of our ? and everyone else?s ? inadequacies. Nor has the proliferation of celebrity child gurus.

Turn on the television and you will find the Baby Mind Reader on one channel berating parents for angering their child for not keeping the house tidy (?Yes, what a tip!? I cry hypocritically from my food-stained sofa), while on another Supernanny pushes the naughty step. Watching (and judging) parents who are even more clueless than me gives me a totally unwarranted, warm feeling of superiority.

?Those programmes are useless, they create a massively unpleasant atmosphere,? Furedi fulminates. ?They are gladiatorial, voyeuristic and almost pornographic when they feature really incompetent parents. They simply exist to make other parents feel good about their skills.?

Oh dear. I think Professor Furedi is judging me for watching these shows. But then again, I am a bit shocked he?s feeding his child junk. Okay, perhaps it doesn?t make him an evil person. But I do think a professor should know better.

JanH · 06/07/2006 11:16

"Daily Express feature writer" - say no more

willow2 · 06/07/2006 11:18

beatie - I have no fucking idea.

beatie · 06/07/2006 11:20
Grin
Clary · 06/07/2006 11:28

thanks Janh.
Like others, I'm really not sure what the point of this is.
Certainly my experience is not of general judging among my friends.
Yes, I remark upon people feedign ribena in a bottle etc, but not to their face.
My pals are all really supportive, even when we don't agree (thank goodness)

KathyMCMLXXII · 06/07/2006 11:29

I quite liked the article actually, though it did make me think 'choose some nicer friends then'.

I will be summarily dropping all the friends on mine whose views on parenting I don't agree with!

franke · 06/07/2006 11:52

I don't think the article is anything other than it is - pointing out that modern parents judge and are judged and you don't realise to what extent until you become a parent. I agree with or at least can relate to what little she says and like JanH I do wonder if she's a mumsnetter . I doubt she has the remit to pursue the interesting discussion that's going on here about the changing nature of and attitudes towards parenting over a period of time, but at least this lightweight article has precipitated such a discussion, so not totally pointless.

joelallie · 06/07/2006 13:04

I think she was simply justifying her own desire to judge other parents. Because if she can convince herself that everyone does it then it's OK for her too.

So we all bolster our self-confidence by secretly critising others who do it differently. Not really news is it? Have to say that I get less and less judgemental as the years go by - when parenting gets harder you have to go with the flow and 'whatever gets you through' is increasingly my motto. It's easy to stick to your principles with one little tiny baby who can't answer back or defy you

I have to agree with those who said that MN is more judgemental than real life. Less critical of working mothers than some parenting fora I visit but that might be due to the demographics of the site. It's easier to let fly about things that you dislike on the internet than in RL where you will have to deal with the consequence of your comments.

Clary · 06/07/2006 22:46

That's very true joelallie. While I might judge others in RL, for example a friend who proclaims happily she passes on shoes, I don't tell her what I think of that! (though I do avoid the keen agreement she is clearly expecting lol).
But on MN I would rush in with "oh no, I never do that". No real consequences you see (tho even on MN there are some people I prefer not to disagree with...)

handlemecarefully · 07/07/2006 07:44

I just thought that it was a very light hearted observational piece....

spinamum · 07/07/2006 09:12

the only thing I admire is that while she's bitched about her friends in public, most of us prob do it anyonomously(my friends are prob currently chatting about my terrible spelling!) on MN!

ssd · 07/07/2006 09:17

agree

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riab · 07/07/2006 13:21

I have to say I do find the judgemental attitudes of other mothers/parents/strangers to be annoying.

My FF son has had quite a few illness's and if I had £10 for every time someone has said something like 'well BF is best of course' or 'why aren't you BF' I'd have enough money to take him to a warm greek island to boost his immune system!

Yes I judge other children/parents. I think we all do, but there are limits. A friend of mine took her DD in to get measured fo rhsoes, she isn't quite walking yet and another mum int he shop came over and asked how old DD was, on hearing the reply she said "what, and nto walking yet? what on earth is wrong with her"

But in the spirit of sheer curiosity, here's a new thread what do you judge people on?

controlfreaky · 07/07/2006 13:26

smug smug smuggity smug. talk about easy / lazy journalism.

willow2 · 07/07/2006 19:29

For which she probably made about £80. Not all glamour you know.

IamBlossom · 10/07/2006 13:50

I feed my son grapes on the way round Tesco.

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