BBC 'fakes wildlife shots all the time'

[claig]

When I read this, af first I couldn't Adam and Eve it.

If they do that, what else are they doing?

And of course, what about 'climate catastrophe'?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2450381/BBC-fakes-wildlife-shots-time-Veteran-cameraman-claims-species-smaller-rabbits-filmed-custom-built-sets.html

but we do expect that the narrator is there rather than down at our local zoo, third left off the roundabout on the A123

I don't expect the narrator to be there. I don't suppose for a minute Joseph Fiennes was in a helicopter sweeping over English waterways looking for may flies in the programme I saw last night.

It happens in 'people' documentaries too you know! I was in one, ages ago

There are millions of people who dont care if they are hoodwinked. It doesnt bother them in the slightest.

I haven't read about it anywhere except here. Is it really of interest to world media? I don't mean to bust your bubble, but most of the narration on these shows is actually done in a studio by someone reading a script.

"I don't expect the narrator to be there"

When I see a presenter on his hands and knees talking in a hushed voice and crawling through dense vegetation, I assume he was in the rainforest rather than at the Ecopark off the M1. I now see that I have been too trusting.

I watch animal shows to learn about nature in its natural habitat. If they have to recreate some of it, as long as it is essentially true to nature, then i don't see an issue with it. If they showed polar bears juggling baby monkeys and tried to pass it off as natural behaviour that would be different.

claig the Daily Mail has an anti-BBC agenda as I think i have mentioned to you before. You will find that all wildlife programme makers, even National Geographic shows, will have similar practices.

'There are millions of people who dont care if they are hoodwinked. It doesnt bother them in the slightest.'

Do you mean New Labour voters?

And it was addressed in 2011, at length, by newspapers, who made a massive song and dance about it The BBC went into self flagellation mode, as usual. The original reporter found out about the staged footage and made a massive hoo ha about it after he watched the 'how we filmed it' extra footage released on the DVD. Hardly secretly hoodwinking people. The information was released by the BBC and was then made into a load of old nonsense story by DM journalists who can't be bothered to do any journalism and are pandering to their powerful editors anti BBC agenda

I don't think presenters are faking their presence like that.

I see that on this one I am totally outnumbered, and most people believe there is no ethical issue at stake.

I didn't say I don't expect the presenter to be there but I would say that you have been too trusting if it's never occurred to you that any element of these programmes are staged.

Which is commendable in many respects!

'Which is commendable in many respects!'

I trust the BBC on most things (apart from on climate catastrophe) and am a bit surprised about some of this. I was not aware of it, but then I don't watch many nature documentaries and no BBC climate catastrophe programmes.

Claig, from what you've written, you won't believe there's a climate catastrophe until you're ankle deep in melted ice.

I was ankle deep in melted ice last Christmas, but it didn't make me believe that we are facing a cataclysmic extinction event, I just thought it had been snowing as usual.

I mean about 1/3 of the population at a guess. No idea what party they support!

I should imagine many tv programmes hoodwink which ever the station, though that is partly a guess and partly not see X Factor!!

Truth is going out of fashion and lots of the general public dont mind in the slightest. They dont even expect it.

Golddigger, I think you are right and it is a worrying trend, because in the end it will lead the public to lose faith in what is actually true. It will be a case of the boy who cried wolf come true.

I see that on this one I am totally outnumbered, and most people believe there is no ethical issue at stake.

Yes. 'DM exposes something that was never a secret'.

Well, there might be an ethical issue about whether newspapers reporting on competing media can be entirely trusted.

in the end it will lead the public to lose faith in what is actually true

especially when the truth is inconvenient.

You keep digging and exposing the truth, whatever that may be. I salute you.

Thank you Golddigger, I certainly shall!

I find it strange. People seem to want selective truth. I presume they want their doctor for example to be truthful? Or their dentist? Or their partner. Actually not sure about their partner. They dont always mind if their patrner is not truthful. Personally I want it across the board and everywhere. Some hope.

Agree, Golddigger, well said.

Huh? I look to the BBC to entertain me, primarily, with the odd nugget of interesting info thrown in. I look to my doctor/dentist to treat me when needed!

Salbertina, we all want to be entertained, but it must be done ethically too.

"The hosts of BBC children's programme Blue Peter have apologised to viewers after the results of a competition were faked last November."

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6449919.stm

So the doctor/dentist you want the truth from? BBC not. Partner?

If they were dressing people up as polar bears, I'd think you had a point. But the fact that their shooting them giving birth in a zoo rather than in the wild doesn't bother me in the least.((shrug))