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As it seems we are to arm Syrian rebels

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NicholasTeakozy · 14/06/2013 14:30

Due to alleged use of 'chemical weapons' by Assad, it may be worth looking at what these people are up to:-

60 villagers massacred by rebels

Aljazeera reporter raped by Al-Nusra Front leader, and Aljazeera are trying to keep it quiet.

15 year old boy executed for blasphemy. Apparently refusing to give a free coffee saying 'not even if you were the prophet come back to life' is enough to see you killed in front of your family.

Of course, every other time we've armed rebels in the past has gone well, hasn't it? I mean, the weapons we gave the Mujahideen, the Iraqis and the Libyans were never used against us, were they? Just like these won't be...

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Lousmart · 14/06/2013 14:59

I wish I knew more about this conflict as I find it really interesting, so will be watching this thread with interest, thanks.

GoshAnneGorilla · 14/06/2013 17:59

Right, let's just leave the entire country to be slaughtered by Assad then.

93,000 dead, mostly by the regime isn't enough for you. Maybe more people need to die?

I have family in Syria, things are far worse then you could imagine, but leaving the country to be destroyed by Assad is not an option.

The people demonstrated for peaceful reform and Assad started killing them. That's how this all started.

claig · 14/06/2013 18:21

I think this is very worrying and we could be seeing an escalation which leads to civil war in Lebanon and with Russia sending arms to Assad, who knows where this could lead?

claig · 14/06/2013 18:23

It looks like the Sunni/Shia tensions could increase in other countries leading to greater instability and a war which sucks more countries in.

Madamecastafiore · 14/06/2013 18:24

I don't think we should get involved at all.

I'm sick of us shipping weapons and troops around the world and then being vilified for it.

Would be interesting to see what other Arab nations do.

NicholasTeakozy · 14/06/2013 18:25

And now Hezbollah, Al-Nusra and various other radical factions are involved. Arming the rebels is only a precursor (IMO) to an invasion. We only have to look at history to see a trumped up charge followed by a disastrous attempt at regime change which will further enrage the regions Moslem inhabitants.

There's an interesting piece in the current issue of Private Eye regarding the suppliers of the chemicals allegedly used by Assad, including a Leatherhead based subsidiary of an American multinational. How surprising. Hmm

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SoupDragon · 14/06/2013 18:29

I thought it was only the US who were sending arms and equipment.

claig · 14/06/2013 18:31

Apparently 20% of Muslims in Turkey are Shia.
There are Shia in Iraq and of course in Iran.
Hopefully this won't spread elsewhere and engulf the whole region in war.

Otherworld · 14/06/2013 18:31

I was about to say the same. UK isn't sending arms to Syria. US is. Even then the radio report I heard suggested that the arms that would be sent wouldn't be what the rebels needed

GoshAnneGorilla · 14/06/2013 19:04

Nicolas, it's Muslim, not Moslem.

Also, the conspiracy theories you spout are ill-founded and insulting to the Syrian people.

I haven't seen anyone else here suggest anything other then the Syrian people should be left to die.

Madamecastafiore · 14/06/2013 19:16

Why is it the responsibility of the UK? The Arab world sits back and watches this go on then we get involved and are the bad guys.

GoshAnneGorilla · 14/06/2013 19:37

Because it is a massive humanitarian catastrophe and were we or our loved ones in such a situation, we would want people to help.

As for other countries, Jordan has a refugee camp so large, it's the fourth largest city in Jordan. Several other Arab countries and Turkey have taken refugees and are sending aid.

Qatar and Saudi are also arming the rebels.

claig · 14/06/2013 19:45

By arming the rebels, aren't we risking the prolongation of the conflict and also risking its escalation to other countries as arms and supplied from opposing camps and also arming Al Qaeda and Jihadis from all over the world?

GoshAnneGorilla · 14/06/2013 20:12

The alternative is Assad wiping out Syria.

As for Al Qaeda, they are wherever there is conflict anyway. I suspect one of the aims of western armament is to control who gets what weaponry, so FSA over JAN.

The Syrian people are moderate in their religion, a hard line group would not get popular support.

Madamecastafiore · 14/06/2013 20:13

Why are they all bring wing men and not the ones going in all guns blazing? Do they not have armies to help out?

We get in loads of shit for going into Iraq, Afghanistan etc and still someone wanting up to go onto another country.

Well I'm sorry no! I do not think it should happen. There are enough developed countries with a conscience who can go and sort this one out.

BaconKetchup · 14/06/2013 20:15

I hope the UK does not get too involved

claig · 14/06/2013 20:17

"The alternative is Assad wiping out Syria."

I can't believe that. Assad was in power for years and didn't try to wipe out Syria. There has been an uprising against his government and it has been supported by other powers who have armed his opponents, Jihadis and Al Qaeda.

NicholasTeakozy · 14/06/2013 20:17

GoshAnne, it's Nicholas, not Nicolas. Sure, Qatar and Saudi Arabia are arming the rebels, and Russia and Iran are arming Assad. Look at who we're already arming in the region: Qatar and Saudi (and by default Syria), Bahrain (suppressing a revolt by the majority, go us!) and Turkey. We're backing hardline and wannabe hardline regimes. That's democracy! :o

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meglet · 14/06/2013 20:25

I don't know what the answer is but I do know that I don't want to be hearing of massacres left right and centre. There are some good tweeters in Syria and what goes on is horrific.

There must be some examples of foreign troops stopping regimes like this, it must be possible to stop Assad. We left it too long to go into Rawanda didn't we.

GoshAnneGorilla · 14/06/2013 22:18

Turkey is a democracy, Erdogan received a larger proportion of the public vote then Cameron, Obama or Hollands.

Claig Assad and his father before him have been brutally suppressing the Syrian people for years, just Google Hama Massacre or Tadmor Prison massacre.

The people asked for peaceful reform and were fired up. Children in Deraa who painted anti-government slogans at the start of the uprising were detained and tortured.

There was a saying in Syria "Even when you go to the dentist, you don't open your mouth". Dissent against the regime was impossible. This could never last, the people were bound to want more freedom.

There is also the issue of years of extremely poor agricultural policy (connections, not talent bring you power in the regime), causing droughts which has also fermented unrest.

Tragically, the Assad regime either want their rule, or no Syria. The destruction they have waged on the country is obscene, vast tracts have been flattened.

I don't believe there is any straight forward solution. The country is destroyed, tens of thousands dead, millions displaced. It is a nightmare.

But Assad must go and hopefully some kind of democracy can take it's place.

The road from an autocracy to democracy is rarely smooth, particularly in the wake of such warfare.

Positives are that Syria has a large merchant class who independent of the regime, there would be people to return to rebuild the country.

The amount of money that the Regime has syphoned off over the years is unreal. (Rifat Assad Billionaire is another worthwhile Google.) Syria, by rights should be a first world country by now if run properly.

I hope that answers some of your questions Nicolas.

Meglet - thank you, that means a lot.

GoshAnneGorilla · 14/06/2013 22:19

fired on* that should read.

Peaceful protests in Syria were met with regime violence.

NicholasTeakozy · 15/06/2013 12:50

I'm even more convinced we should keep our noses out now Blair says we should go in.

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