Missing women found in Ohio

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When the story of Natasha Kampusch broke in 2006 it seemed like a bizarre one-off. Since then we've heard about Jaycee Dugard and one or two others. Now three more missing women (possibly more) have been found at a place in Ohio seemingly having been held captive for many years. Good conclusion to a tragic story and makes you wonder if there's anyone in the UK, written off as missing, but being similarly held against their will. Thinking about the case of Claudia Lawrence, for example.

I think one of the saddest things I've read is about the possibility of multiple babies being born and dying dye to illness, malnutrition or injury. I cannot even begin to imagine the emotion of birthing a baby to your captor, without assistance, or postnatal care, and having to watch them die (if that happened and really hoping it didn't).

I believe there were several miscarriages due to beatings/malnutrition. :(

It's just awful. Amanda was so brave, and I love the neighbor. He called 911 too, and at one point describes the woman as "in a panic" and then says something like "well she said she been kidnapped, put yourself in her situation!"

Her daughter too :( DS is almost 6 and the thought of raising him in such a place...heartbreaking.

"Not so easy when you are the one who has to make those split second, life or death decisions."

yes but it's kind of necessary when that is your job and you have been trained to do it.

and as has been said. it's still unclear whether the operator acted properly. their actions are under review.

in one interview a neighbour said she saw the little girl at the park with ariel castro. imagine having to hand your dd over to that monster! just awful.

I work as a call taker and I assume that as the police car was there within 2mins, and the operator knew they were approaching, that it was left fir police to deal with the situation so the handler could then deal with another emergency call.

There will be tightly controlled processes that handlers follow, they will be documenting on the computer, talking to the emergency services as well as the caller.

Please - it's a difficult job and very unusual situation so let's not jump on someone who was only doing their job.

Those poor girls.

as has been said (several times now) ubik. the call handler's actions are being reviewed so perhaps i and others who commented on it aren't so wide off the mark.

i have no vendetta against emergency call handlers or this one in general. i dont even know who they are. the call struck me as odd and i commented. i'm not alone in noticing that.

This story has really got to me. The fear of the girls, the daughter, the sheer bravery of Amanda Berry knowing that she was risking her own, her daughters and her friends' lives. It is all just so and

But thank god they are all free. That neighbour is an international hero, i saw him on the news last night and felt so 'proud' of him IYKWIM.

i also cant help thinking that this gives hope to the McCann's and the Lawrence's and many many others. You dont want to think that your daughter or son is in that situation but, well, if she is alive...

So so sad about the other babies.

My calls are reviewed all the time as a normal part of my job, recordings are listened to and 'live' calls too. There's no reason to assume there is anything amiss - it's a normal part of procedure and I am sure every professional will have to account for their actions.

I do find it a bit weird that thus thread has focused on a few seconds of an energy cry call though

'Emergency'

yes it is weird. why cant people just accept that i think he did a shit job on that call.

ubik i saw a programme a few weeks ago, one of these 'emergency services' type things (nothing else on - we were bored!) but hells bells we were so incredibly impressed at how you and your colleagues deal with such calls.

I think the difference here was stark though, from what we saw on the programme - a call like this would have been dealt with differently in the UK, we saw lots of calm professional staff dealing with all sorts, and would not get off the phone until they were satisfied the emergency services were there.

I do think that by listening to the clip that the controller could have done more to reassure her, i was listening thinking about that programme i saw. She didnt seem convinced when he said just to sit and wait. I dont know

As i say - this is no criticism of your profession, i really do think the UK teams do an excellent job. My grandad died of a heart attack a couple of years ago and despite the outcome my nanna still talks about the 'wonderful lady' she spoke to at 999. She kept my nanna calm throughout and explained everything to her

i am not taking this thread in a different direction - i agree with booyhoo - he did a shit job thats that. i just felt i wanted to give ubik a bit of solidarity

I can't imagine giving birth there with only your rapist/captor to help you.

Well isn't he fortunate to have many people sat at their computers happy to point that out to him.

Anyway enuff said.

why cant people just accept that i think he did a shit job on that call.

I do accept you think he/she did a shit job. I disagree. I think they did their job just fine.

I can't believe all this niggling about the emergency call handler,amongst the utter horror of this story..
He did the job didn't he and these women are now free.

forgive my interference ubik - it was kindly meant

and if you all read my earlier post i was discussing how deeply affected i am by this horrific story. i am also not the only one making comment on the call handler. it is all part of the horror that these women were going through

Is Reuters a reputable source?

I guess not as no newspapers are reporting stuff like this:
"Another neighbour, Anthony Westry, said a little girl could often be seen peering from the attic window of the Castro house.

"She was always looking out the window," he said. Castro would take her to the park to play very early in the morning, "not around the time you would take kids to play," he said."

deepfriedsage Wed 08-May-13 10:46:07
I read the neighbour saw three women on leads crouched on all fours, controlled by three men. [Sad] Hmmmm

Well I think the police will be interested in speaking to the neighbour who kicked the door in, especially after his fantastically inappropriate comment to reporters;

...To another reporter, Mr Ramsey spoke of his shock that the man he used to listen to music with and share ribs with could have been behind this.

"You got to have some big testicles to pull this off, bro, because we see this dude every day. I mean every day."...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22431948

I watched an interview on You Tube with the neighbour and CNN Anderson Cooper. The neighbour said that the police only came because he also phoned. He said he called the operator a compete moron for her lack of interest. Really worth watching

Reuters is generally considered reputable. They are reporting as what the neighbour said rather it being fact though.
They're a news agency so provide other outlets and are probably one of the least biased reporters out there

Reuters is a very, very reputable news source. I would trust it as much as the BBC.

And nothing at all to do with the fact that I used to be a Reuters reporter.

Very strict guidelines - everything must be attributed properly.

As Gibber points out, they are reporting what the neighbour said he saw, not as fact.

It might be the men took the babies that had been born and they are somewhere else of course, off site or they killed them elsewhere (except the one 6 year old who survived).

Yes, Reuters is highly reputable.