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2 explosions at the finish line at the Boston Marathon.

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landofsoapandglory · 15/04/2013 20:22

BBC have it as news at the moment.

Sky also have it.

One person dead according to Sky on the TV.

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noddyholder · 23/04/2013 15:20

If the FBI was watching them that closely etc it is odd that they didn't catch them quicker and they did take in a young saudi man who was later released Its getting more suspicious imho

Ponders · 23/04/2013 15:35

well, ok, not mad, but seriously deluded imo.

I think she's a bit economical with the truth - while also running off at the mouth

noddyholder · 23/04/2013 15:37

Maybe but I am sure if she spoke to them she would know.

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 15:37

I suppose I fear 1. that an innocent young man may be put to death for a crime he didn't commit and 2. that the whole situation may reflect some disturbing undercurrents in global geopolitics. I don't get the whole Russia-Chechen thing in relation to the US but it's not a new direction I like the sound of.

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 15:39

The Chechen situation is bad enough in its normal location without transplanting it.

EldritchCleavage · 23/04/2013 15:39

We don't really know how closely the FBI was watching. There may not have been any signs giving rise to a concern the brother would mount an attack on the US, perhaps until they actually did it it was much more plausible that they would plot with others to attack Russia over Chechnya or get involved in some other conflict in the Caucasus.

And the FBI must watch thousands of people. You only have to be unlucky with surveillance briefly for there to be a tragedy.

EldritchCleavage · 23/04/2013 15:39

brothers, sorry.

Ponders · 23/04/2013 15:42

she first said the FBI had been practically part of the family for 3 years, then 5.

also, can you believe he stopped to ring her in the middle of the shootout???

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 15:49

Eldridge, out of interest, I'm curious why you are so convinced that the official version is 100% correct? What is your political/philosophical (or emotional) background that makes you so definite on this?

noblegiraffe · 23/04/2013 16:06

Daily mail has a series of photos of the shoot out with the police, where the elder brother was killed, and apparent bomb marks on the street.

EldritchCleavage · 23/04/2013 16:09

Eldridge, out of interest, I'm curious why you are so convinced that the official version is 100% correct? What is your political/philosophical (or emotional) background that makes you so definite on this?

Well where the hecky peck have I said the 'official' version (not that there even is a settled official version yet) is 100% correct, for heaven's sake?

LtEveDallas · 23/04/2013 16:28

Still not sure that failing your classes = mass murderer

Bread, people kill for a lot, lot less. In the top 10 motives for murder are jealousy, passion, revenge and obsession. I remember a case of a man who killed his girlfriend because she wouldn't give him her chopsticks! Or what about the bastard that stabbed a young girl in his anger at losing his internet connection?

Lots of angry young men kill for no reason, or simply to become infamous. Young men are indoctorinated into thinking a certain way, into hating a common enemy. I think it is likely that the older brother did this to the younger brother - and this was the result.

Earlybird · 23/04/2013 17:08

Agree with LtEveDallas. The mother said that her younger son was a 'very bright boy who was going to medical school' (obviously impossible at 19 years old). But if you are 'failing' at the life you hoped to have (and that your parents wanted for you), some cannot cope with the disappointment and stress. I wonder if that played a role in his involvement.

Several of the recent mass shootings in America have been committed by young men who either couldn't cope with society (Newtown) or who struggled to find their way (Colorado movie theatre shooting committed by a very bright student who was struggling with/ failing at difficult classes at University).

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 19:24

It's possible. But this is not akin to stabbing someone on the spur of the moment - this must have taken months of planning - long enough for anyone but the most determined sociopath to have thought 'hang on a minute'... And this guy comes across as so nice that according to the mail (and elsewhere) loads of his friends are prepared to take the stand for him and swear that they don't think he did it. As I said, every other case you named eg Newtown or Colorado,everyone who knew the perpetrators sad they were mad as . It ought to be obvious that at the very least the individual is a bit disturbed if downright weird, surely?

After all, plenty of kids fail at school or college but 99.99999% of them don't resort to mass murder. Even if they're Muslim. Do I really need to say that??

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 19:26

Eldridge - sorry if I misunderstood you. You seemed to be taking potshots at those who dared to question the official version, hence my assumption...

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 19:31

Eurgh - just reread my metaphor/cliche. Inappropriate. Blush

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 19:46

noblegiraffe - just looked at the pictures of the shooutout you mentioned. The average Daily Mail reader is clearly not very impressed or convinced they show anything at all, as per the comments. A couple of figures that are probably people but could be anything really and some very distant lights and a slight smudge on the ground - not terribly conclusive... Also, the car still there and even the backpacks left conveniently on the ground several hours later once it's light so they can be photographed clearly. Obviously, no police in Boston who might, just might, have thought it was important enough to save the bags or car or its contents as evidence...

And a suspect who could manage to get past massed ranks of police on his own without being followed and dump the car and then walk, bleeding heavily, to hide...

If you put it in a movie you'd say it was too far-fetched.

claig · 23/04/2013 19:50

'The average Daily Mail reader'

The Daily Mail reader is not average in any way!
As you were.

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 19:51

No claig, you're right - they include both of us for starters. :)

claig · 23/04/2013 19:54

Exactly Smile
There are conspiracy theories about the Colorado shooting and Newtown.
Don't know if there is anything to them.

LtEveDallas · 23/04/2013 20:12

this is not akin to stabbing someone on the spur of the moment - this must have taken months of planning

Actually it is a piece of piss to make a bomb. I was shown how in an afternoon lesson and made one the following morning! (Disclaimer, NOT a terrorist)

I don't think there was that much planning at all - making bombs, chucking them in a backpack and casually leaving backpack to explode. If they had timed it better they would have had far more casualties - and higher 'value' ones - so for me it's the lack of planning and small number of casualties that proves it was them on their own rather than a meticulously coordinated and successful attack. To be honest, they made a hash of this.

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 20:16

That depends (a) if they actualy did it and (b) if they did, if mass murder was their goal.

Lots of assumptions in your posts. They may be true. But unproven as yet.

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 20:17

Missed you claig. :) Good to see your unique sanity.

claig · 23/04/2013 20:22

Missed you too breadandbutterfly. The Coalition has got off lightly since you here last. Smile

EldritchCleavage · 23/04/2013 20:32

I don't think I've 'taken potshots' at anyone, actually.