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2 explosions at the finish line at the Boston Marathon.

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landofsoapandglory · 15/04/2013 20:22

BBC have it as news at the moment.

Sky also have it.

One person dead according to Sky on the TV.

OP posts:
Ponders · 23/04/2013 09:52

\link{http://www.infowars.com/military-men-witnessed-at-boston-bombing-identified-as-national-guard-cst-teams/\National Guard CST team}

\link{http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2013/apr/15/boston-marathon-explosions-pictures#/?picture=407248955&index=16\pic from Guardian} (included in the infowars piece)

or were there 2 sets of men in black coats & beige pants? that must have been confusing for them (& the FBI)

noddyholder · 23/04/2013 09:57

It is making the mainstream press because the doubts set in early with this Usually people with doubts are the minority and it takes time for their small sites and groups to hit the press but this for whatever reason was doubted by large numbers from the start. Will be interesting to see how long the FBI had been watching them and what their connections are. It is all very odd especially them 'confessing' to the anonymous car driver and then letting him go with that information when apparently they were pretty trigger happy. And it is very convenient that they let him go because he wasn't american perfect propaganda.

Ponders · 23/04/2013 10:05

\link{http://www.debka.com/article/22914/The-Tsarnaev-brothers-were-double-agents-who-decoyed-US-into-terror-trap\oh look, they were double agents who went rogue}

Hmm
noddyholder · 23/04/2013 10:06

I am open minded about this in a way I haven't been about other conspiracies. Not sure why tbh

Ponders · 23/04/2013 10:09

there are certainly lots of bits of information that don't seem to quite add up/fit together, noddy

noblegiraffe · 23/04/2013 10:13

Those that think the guy in the wheelchair was a double amputee actor, here's a photo of him before the race (same jumper)
www.gofundme.com/BucksforBauman

Looking nothing like an amputee and nothing like the war veteran he is supposed to be in the 'it was staged' conspiracy.

Poor, poor man and his poor family.

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 10:33

noblegiraffe - I agree the fake leg story is about as weird as they come- but easy to dispel - any normal guy will have countless pics of him with legs! taken recently.

noddyholder - agree. I'm no tin hat wearer generally but this particular story has seemed not 'right' to me somehow. In my case, I think it was the universally gushing descriptions of the younger brother by all who knew him that rang alarm bells for me. I can't think of any other terrorists/gunmen who haven't later been described (even if in retrospect) by those who knew them as in some way unhinged, unbalalanced, not quite right. This guy - no-one has anything but nice stuff to say.

So what's the motive? No-one goes to a huge effort to kill loads of people they've never met without a reason.

Ponders · 23/04/2013 10:43

\link{http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2013/04/21/bombing-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev-had-broken-angrily-with-muslim-speakers-mosque/XCBPdDswOKxaa4AJ0mkuVL/story.html\Tamerlan sounds to have become increasingly obsessive about Islam in the last few months} (from boston.com). There's quite a lot about what happened before Tamerlan was killed here too.

EldritchCleavage · 23/04/2013 10:54

Why aren't the assertions and interpretations on the non-MSM websites subjected to the same sceptical analysis as the 'official' version of events?

Ponders · 23/04/2013 10:54

\link{http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/us/details-of-tsarnaev-brothers-boston-suspects-emerge.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0\a lot of background stuff from the NY Times last week}

Dzhokhar was failing at university. Maybe he was angry because he was failing. Maybe he was failing because he was being distracted by Tamerlan. Tamerlan seemed be angry about a lot of things, some to do with America, some not.

I wonder how much information they'll be able to get from Dzhokhar though, with the degree of head injury & general trauma.

MasterOfTheYoniverse · 23/04/2013 11:26

Maybe this is "just" a case of "beslan meets columbine" as ventured by a very good op ed in the NY times last week?
A grudge, a couple of forlorn youths and an enablist environment?
Its still the most likely explanation and seems in line with the stance chosen to prosecute the surviving perpetrator.

MasterOfTheYoniverse · 23/04/2013 11:28

The fact that islam is the radicalising element is only accessory iykwim?

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 13:10

Ponders - interesting links. Still not sure that failing your classes = mass murderer, but time will hopefully tell as more details emerge...

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 13:15

Eldritch - I'd argue that anyone who takes either the official OR the unofficial media as gospel needs their heads seeing to. The truth may reside in one or the other or a mixture of both...or neither.

Being open-minded until someone has been proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt seems fair. The horrific nature of what the individual is accused of should not preclude anyone from viewing the evidence dispassionately. The guy has only just been charged so far - some on here seem to talk as if he has been proven guilty. Maybe he will be - but we are not at that stage yet.

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 13:17

And history has too many examples of individuals who were guilty in trial by media - only to be found completely innocent. So I'll wait.

EldritchCleavage · 23/04/2013 13:25

There seems to be a tendency in discussions like this to equate the 'media' versions of the story with the official versions, and certainly when mainstream media gets things wrong, that's often argued to be evidence that the 'official' version is similarly wrong, and/or that official misinformation is the source of the media inaccuracy or deception.

But none of that is necessarily the case. We can't know the totality of what the 'official' case is until a prosecutor stands up in federal court and lays it out for the judge. Unless any of you have a hotline to Eric Holder?

In the Internet era there are lots of competing versions of events like this being put out by people with wildly varying amounts of information and credibility. Which ones any given person opts for has a lot less to do with critical analysis that most of us are prepared to admit, and a lot more to do with political/emotional/philosophical standpoints that frequently go unacknowledged or examined.

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 13:55

That's true,Eldritch.I admit it's my 'gut feeling' that something is not quite right here that I'm going on as the basis for questioning the official version. And it's true that the official version does not nec = the media version. However, that is all we have to go on so far. Moreover,it is worth noting that the official version hasn't always been right either in other cases - and clearly,there was a lot of pressure to find and convict someone in this case because of the nature of the crime. And the case was built up very speedily - one would think before the authorities had really had a chance to view all the relevant evidence. But we'll see...

Ponders · 23/04/2013 13:55

\link{http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313218/Boston-bombing-investigation-Marathon-bomber-Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-reveals-DID-act-alone.html\inf about the interrogation} - from the DM, sorry, but I notice that in the cctv image he is now climbing into the boat again!

\link{http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/22/us/boston-attack/index.html& he is now being questioned with the right to silence} - CNN link - I know he was reportedly questioned without that right before the weekend, but I can't imagine they got much from him then

he says it was just the 2 of them, acting alone; but he would say that, wouldn't he...

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 13:59

And yes, you're right that some people have a natural tendency to distrust authority and all 'official versions'. However, the converse is also true. It is notable that some on here seem to almost take any suggestion that there could be other sides to the story as a personal affront or an attack on the US, etc. Which is no more logical.

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 14:00

Previous comment @ Eldridge.

breadandbutterfly · 23/04/2013 14:01

@ Ponders - yes,this example teaches you why you should never ever regard the Mail as a source for facts! Clearly they are making it up as they go along... Grin

mumat39 · 23/04/2013 14:56

Breadandbutterfly, that's exactly how I feel!

noddyholder · 23/04/2013 15:01

interesting C4 News website

Ponders · 23/04/2013 15:12

'Several visits are talked about and even something of a rapport building up between agents and this young man whom they recognised ? as did many others ? as being personable, intelligent and with clear leadership qualities.'

but the source of this information is the mad mother, isn't it?

noddyholder · 23/04/2013 15:19

Mad?