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Oh My God, poor girl.

38 replies

Esmummy · 10/05/2006 09:57

Sorry about the link from The Sun but have a look \link{http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006210374,00.html\here}

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shellybelly · 10/05/2006 09:59

can't bring myself to look, coz i know its going to be [sad, sorry

Angeliz · 10/05/2006 09:59
Sad Am NOT trying to blame the Hospital but don't they usually do a breif examination for children (i mean she must have been in agony!) and they gave her 2 paracetamol?? Poor girl indeed!
expatinscotland · 10/05/2006 10:00

My god! What a horrible thing to happen to her!

Greensleeves · 10/05/2006 10:01

Sad poor little girl. I wonder what will happen to her and her baby now?

goldenoldie · 10/05/2006 11:07

How dreadful. Poor things.

Expect both she and her baby will be taken (seperatly) into care. Can't imagine she will ever get her baby back?

Greensleeves · 10/05/2006 11:14

Really? WIll they split them up? Why?

Marina · 10/05/2006 11:18

I'd hope that the separation might be between the arrested man and this poor little girl. What a horrific experience.
If she is able, I would have thought Social Services will try and keep her and her baby together, with support.

CaptainDippy · 10/05/2006 11:18

Cos that is what they do. Sad

Kelly1978 · 10/05/2006 11:20

Shock Sad Poor girl, I wouldn't have thought social services would have split them neither, surely the girl has rights?

edam · 10/05/2006 11:20

How very sad. Poor child(ren). Hope the baby is physically OK. Hospitals usually keep babies in special care when there's a reason why they can't just go home with their mother – and I don't think you can just allow an 11 yo to walk away with a baby.

Greensleeves · 10/05/2006 11:23

Of course not edam, but if both children are going to have to be taken into care, which I assume they must, I would expect them to be kept together - can't see why they would be split up.

Blu · 10/05/2006 11:27

Poor little love.
As a recent arrival from Somalia, there could be different explanations for this. All extremely distressing.

Marina · 10/05/2006 11:29

Yes, I am wondering if there is any possibility that the man who arrived with her will be released once the circumstances are clearer. He might have been trying to get her some help :(

Blu · 10/05/2006 11:31

And I'm sure social services will be sensitive in assesing whether she wants contact with the babyor not.

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Blandmum · 10/05/2006 16:15

The child is 11 and the presumed Father is 37. The baby is the result of a statutory rape (if it happened in the UK) and sexual abuse of the worst posible kind. I don't know what the legal age of consent is in Somalia

While it is usual for babies to be left with the natural mother as much as possible, will this be the right course of action in this case? I honestly don't know what would be the best thing to do in this case

buffythenappyslayer · 10/05/2006 16:32

omg that is awful!am very Shock.the poor girl must have been in complete horror herself.
i have a 12 yo dd and a 10 yo dd,so itd be like one of them having a baby.its awful.

ninaar · 10/05/2006 17:32

this is a very interesting 'western view'. as an african, i can assure you, that comparing your 10/12year old with an african 11 is irrelavent. a 5 year old african, especially in 'third world countries' are more responsible and level headed than your average teenage western kid. If these two are really somalis than its very likely that the girl is older than an 11 year old as the girls look really young. I should know as i'm one. Plus most don't know they're ages as they don't record it at birth (i think its changing now tho). And its absolutely OUTRAGEOUS if the baby is kept from her. Who exactly benefits from THAT?

Blu · 10/05/2006 17:36

Look, we really don't know what went on here, who the man is, what his relationship to her is, or the cicumstances of conception, or how that might affect her relationship to the baby.

Blandmum · 10/05/2006 17:36

as I posted, I don't know what the legal age for sex is in Somalia. However if she was made pregnant in the UK it is stautory rape, regardless of her ethnic origin. And while she may have freely given her consent, in the UK it isn't hers to give.

Who benefits? possibly and please note I have said possibly she will, if she did not give her consent.

ninaar · 10/05/2006 17:50

if she's somali, than its very unlikely that it happened with out her consent. they are very tribal and will have her family's backing if she's inappropriately touched. no, she would not benefit by having her child taken as i've already said, very tribal and all and will most likely have family looking after her and baby.

Blandmum · 10/05/2006 17:52

But the situation is still that if the conception happened in the UK, it is breaking the law. She can't give her consent until she is 16, reagrdless of her physical or emotional level of maturity.

Blu · 10/05/2006 17:57

And aren't there huge areas of east Africa where tribal warfare is still rife?

Ninaar, can you honestly say that rape does not occur in African countries and that every young woman is preganat by her willing consent?

We just don't know anyhtng about this, esp via the razor-sharp integrity of a sun reporter.

this may well turn out to be ordinary, non-sensational, culturally usual or a crime whatever continent you are on. She mighht be 11 or 17. We don't know.

Blandmum · 10/05/2006 17:59

good points, well made, Blu.

ninaar · 10/05/2006 18:14

oh, no blu. i'm not saying all african countries would not rape girls (or guys). what i'm saying, even tho there is a war (in the south) rape is one i haven't heard of. not suggesting it doesn't exist. but the way it works there is, if someone is interested in someone else, they will ask for their hand in marriage, if yes fine as there is no age restrictions there (obviously the girl would have reached puberty first). if no, they will persist or leave it be. i doubt there is rape or much of it as ppl depend on family defending them. if they do wrong, they know they will make there tribe or leader look vile and hard to justify their position in the war (as each side claims to be doing it for the benefit of the country/ppl). however, as left as a lil girl, my 'fact' could be wrong. but have visited and ppl really want peace and to live in peace (that is the ordinary ppl not the 'politicians' who are after power).

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