A fourteen year old girl has been killed...

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...mauled to death by four dogs.

RIP

The Daily Mail is now saying that the dog owner bred a litter of Staffie puppies last year and sold them on Facebook - pretty clear she was a very irresponsible dog owner from that alone.

You ban them, then they move onto to other breeds, as they did when the pitbull, tosa, fila etc were banned, they're already moving onto more northern breeds in most parts of the country in a misguided attempt to more closely emulate a wolf. These breeds will start making headlines soon. They will be the next staffy.

So, you ban the northern breeds too.

They'll buy rottys. Ban them.

They'll buy GSDs. Ban them.

They'll buy Dobes. Ban them.

They'll buy Leonbergers. Ban them.

At some point you will have to start looking at the other end of the lead.

Agree Miranda - ridiculous comment about killing squirrels.

Banning certain breeds isn't going to help, any dog has the potential to be aggressive if mishandled or trained to be so which is probably what happened with these dogs.

Whoever is responsible for these dogs should definitely be charged with manslaughter.

dont worry OP, that wasn't what I was saying.

It's always the same though. A staffie or a mastiff kills a child and somebody comes on here banging on about how dangerous labradors are. It's ridiculous.

If you mean me OP, I haven't said that, or even hinted at it.

You said you had never heard of a lab attacking a SBT. I have you an example, that is all. No mention of how dangerous Labs in general are (because they aren't, neither are SBTs, Mastiffs, JRTs etc )

What is ridiculous is suggesting that staffys be banned as they are dangerous dogs.
By people who have no experience, no real, personal experience of the breed.

You are missing the point spectacularly.

It is idiots who give these dogs these fearsome reputations instead of looking at the indisputable fact that all dogs can bite and all dogs are capable of inflicting grevious bodily injury.

And it's idiots who call for breed specific legislation that make them more sodding desirable.

Yes, they are powerful breeds. But saying they are all aggressive and should all be banned is the canine equivelent of saying all Palestinians are terrorists.

Oh great, a another article to make people hate staffies

Yes, that's the real pity of this story, isn't it. My heart just sank for all the staffie owners when I heard about this.

From one of the reports it appears that the owner was selling puppies on FB a while ago.

the original bans haven't worked anyhow.

Where i live in south London i see plenty of dogs that are definitely a lot more American pitbull than they are SBT...

TheOriginalSteamingNit The real pity of this story is that a human being has been savaged to death.

Firstly, none of the pictures of the dogs I have seen look like a SBT.

The kennel club only recommends 2 types of dog as being good with children. One of them is a staffie.

There were 5 big dogs kept in small house. No responsible dog owner would have that many.

As long as people keep on blaming a certain breed for these tragedies they will keep on happening.

from what I can see its not even confirmed if the dogs were SBT or not.

Maybe they were SBT 'Type' (whatever breed that is)

I think that was the point TOSN was making, hence the face.
It was a response.

Sorry TheOriginalSteamingNit - didn't notice the sarcasm face!

www.pets4homes.co.uk/pet-advice/why-are-dog-rehoming-centres-full-of-staffordshire-bull-terriers.html

FFS I am sick to death of the dog-apologia on this site.

Dogs are not moral beings. It is nonsense, literally meaningless, to talk about whether or not anything is a dog's "fault", or ascribe blame to a dog. This is not to say that we accord them the same status as a blameless human. they have NO status with respect to blame, because they are not human, and are not moral agents, and therefore when they are dangerous they do not have quasi-human rights, and should be killed.

RIP Jade Lomas-Anderson.

Yes, that was exactly the point I was making!

Aren't staffies really quite small?

Mastiffs are massive and terrifying but staffies are these adorable friendly things.

Have I got the wrong breed entirely?

From my (not a dog person) reading of this, 5 dogs were left alone in a house with a teenager they didn't know well.

I'm far from an expert, but I think breed doesn't even have to come into it for that to be a fucking stupid thing to do.

My friend has the 3 most well behaved dogs you could imagine (she is a trainer) but I don't like to be left on my own with them because they don't know me, and I'm not good at dogs.

As well-trained as they are, they are big and strong (GSD & collies) and could do me damage if they chose to.

" It is nonsense, literally meaningless, to talk about whether or not anything is a dog's "fault", or ascribe blame to a dog. This is not to say that we accord them the same status as a blameless human. they have NO status with respect to blame, because they are not human, and are not moral agents, and therefore when they are dangerous they do not have quasi-human rights, and should be killed."

Very well put, curry

I agree with a post that said ban this breed and then the next breed and so on but these mindless idiots would still find a breed they could 'toughen' up.

When we were considerering our rottie the breeder we brought her from wanted to visit our house and inspect it. It was fine with me as I had already brought some pictures of where we live so that he could see we had the room. Others might not be so keen. I do actually agree with some sort of cost/license for the bigger dogs if I am honest. And please dont lets get onto 'well if you are on benefits, you dont need to pay'. Everyone needs to seriously consider what it takes to own a dog. You then need to decide if you can afford it and take the responsibility for owning a bigger breed. And having 5 of these dogs in a house is totally totally irresponsible.

Perhaps you even need to prove that you are a responsible owner by applying to a committee. I know it sounds nonsense but until we stop these mindless idiots getting hold of big dogs, training them to be agressive and then having no consequences then they attack it will happen again.

If someone with a dog on a string and a studded collar couldnt prove a licence of some sort then the dog is immediately taken from them. I think we can all spot the suspicious owners a mile off.....