Baby denied treatment by NHS because family have overstayed

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www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/03/13/erbs-palsy-baby-sanika-ahmed-denied-treatment-_n_2866288.html

Baby will be permanently disabled, losing use of one arm if she isn't treated soon. NHS trust are refusing treatment, because although the baby was born here her fathers work visa ran out several years ago. They are being supported by an uncle. I think that the child should be treated, she is innocent and I'm really saddened by the number of people posting comments by this article saying they agree with the NHS stance on this.

What do you think?

As an overstayer it is highly unlikely he will have been paying tax, national insurance contributions, etc as you need proof of eligibility to work to get a job legally.

So I would be willing to hazard a guess he has been working for cash in hand, which means that the person employing him has broken the law and how much tax have they avoided paying as a result?

Stop making excuses, Scottishmummy.

Are you telling me that you are perfectly comfortable with a child born and living in our country being denied healthcare and being left permanently disabled because her parents cannot afford to pay?

And like I said, if you are comfortable with that, you have no moral justification for taking from a welfare state which is based on compassion for the vulnerable within our society.

Btw, in the US, this child would be a US citizen because she was born there and her rights are not dependent on her parents actions.

I don't think it is uncommon for overstayers who were employed on visas to continu with taxed and insured work.

Sure - the company who employed him / them will be in trouble...

We don't really know at the moment.

But in any case, when you make a policy or a law, this is the human face of it. This is what happens, it is applied and implemented. I can't see that it can be just overlooked as soon as it becomes an issue.

Morally and emotionally I would like to see this child treated in this country that she is resident (on whatever status) but that isn't possible under the laws we need to make.

Maybe someone will start an appeal for her. It might be a good starying point amongst her relatives and friends.

If they didnt over stay they would not have this issue and of course instead of going back were there child would be treaed as soon as they touch down

But yet they will most likey stay prolong the chance of ther child getting treatment and no doubut to stay here when they are clerly not entitled

I had to wait 18 months for my ds to get seen at hospital why should a child who is not even ment to be here jump the que

Don't get all moral high ground and arsey with me.no excuse.legit interpretation of rules
Seeing you so aghast what's your excuse for not fundraising or making voluntary donation
Advanced morality is the application of protocols and recognition there finite amount money in nhs

flatbread I don't think being a US citizen entitles you to free healthcare though, does it?

(I genuinely don't know anymore!)

Child born here to illegal parents,no automatic Entitlement to citizenship

If you were born in the UK to parents who are not British citizens and are not legally settled here

Even if you were born in the United Kingdom, you will not be a British citizen if neither of your parents was a British citizen or legally settled here at the time of your birth. This means you are not a British citizen if, at the time of your birth, your parents were in the country temporarily, had stayed on without permission, or had entered the country illegally and had not been given permission to stay here indefinitely.

You are correct scotyish mummy the reason why this is the case because we would end up ith the same problem as irland with mother litaruly coming here whilest pregant or getting pregnant whilest her so they came claim citizenship for there children and get to stay its hard enought to get people out as it is

Oh yes I will donate.

And work towards dismantling the welfare state, especially the bloated NHS.

I have no need for it and am damned if I am going to have my taxes fund the whiners who are willing to let an innocent child suffer, but are happy for their own handouts.

If you cannot afford healthcare for your child? Too bad, let your child be disabled, it is your responsibility.

If you cannot eat? Ask Tesco to donate food

Good for you

I dont agree with the NHS funding this op Flatbread and I don't get handouts I pay my taxes and NI just as you do

Clearly Flatbread has recently had a NHS colonoscopy. Well known side effect is the expelling of a lot of gas afterwards.

What is healthcare like in bangladesh?

You know what flatbread, my son has cancer. It is very aggressive. There is an 80% chance that it will come back even if it is successfully treated now first time round.

If it comes back, there are a couple of clinical trials starting in the UK. But they may not be appropriate. There may not be space on them.

In those cases, the NHS will not find his treatment. It's not cost-effective (in their opinion). I would have to find up to £500,000 for him to be treated abroad.

If I can't get that money, he won't just have lost the use of an arm. He. Will. Be. Dead.

My son is British. DH and I are taxpayers. The only benefits we claim relate to DS' illness because I can't work full-time and care for him. Up til now I have always worked, as has DH.

The situation is shit. Absolutely shit. But I understand that the NHS cannot be a catch all for anything and everything.

So yes, I understand that a child born here and living here may not get the treatment he or she might want or need. With respect , I suspect that I understand that a whole hell of a lot more than you do.

And I still don't think the NHS should have to treat this girl for free.

Trazzles - we've got 20% in Joe's favour. You know we're praying that will be the outcome don't you?

Flatbread,make an advanced directive,about treatment and nhs preferences
let gp know contents

Being a British Citizen is not part of the criteria for NHS treatment, though.

Living and working here is.

see here

and here

I wonder whether a child can be lawful or unlawful in the context of being 'ordinarily resident'. She would seem to be 'ordinarily resident' because she has never lived anywhere else, and she herself has not acted unlawfully....

Well, then you believe that a child is responsible for the actions of her parents.

And she should be punished and denied care because of her parents legal status.

What next, should we deny children of criminals care, because, you know, they are born to criminals?

After that deny care to children of parents who have not contributed to NI?

After all, there are limited resources and if we can only provide them to a select group of children living in our country, we can come up with new laws to further restrict the pie.

And since it will be made legal, we should all be ok with it then.

And after all, the children of the 'outsiders', illegals, criminals and non-employed are really not being denied care, because after all their parents could go private...

My mate, who is British, is in the US just now with her 3-year-old daughter, who had a brain tumour. She was too young for radiotherapy, and the only treatment that can save her, proton beam therapy, is not available here till 2017 due to cost. Monies had to be raised for her child, or she would certainly die. In addition, the child took a serious blood infection after completing the treatment. She has been to ICU and had an unsuccessful surgery to site a line in her somewhere for her infections to be treated as all her veins are blown out. She is not being denied care, but her mother must pay for it.

Of course I know that Northern (hugs back) am just setting out the bare facts for the benefit of flatbread who seems to think that we are all typing on this thread from our ivory towers paid for by income support.

Is that to me. Flatbread? Because if so you need to go back and read what I posted again.

Blu,irrespective of location of birth,child born to illegal parents
Child has no automatic right to uk citizenship on that basis
She entitled to emergency care,not routine care

If you were born in the UK to parents who are not British citizens and are not legally settled here

Even if you were born in the United Kingdom, you will not be a British citizen if neither of your parents was a British citizen or legally settled here at the time of your birth. This means you are not a British citizen if, at the time of your birth, your parents were in the country temporarily, had stayed on without permission, or had entered the country illegally and had not been given permission to stay here indefinitely.

expat I really hope that your friend's DD is doing ok. I want to do kisses or hugs or hand- holding or such but none of it seems right.

Can anyone else feel the ground rumbling?

Ah, ok- it's just Nye Bevan spinning in his grave...

So, Flatbread, you think the welfare state should be dismantled and you don't care because you have private health insurance?

And you call others on this thread hypocrites?