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The BNP & Barking

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fuzzywuzzy · 19/04/2006 22:36

Just read \link{http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4921540.stm\this} article and am now feeling incredibly relieved we're seriously considering emmigrating.

I have to say I have noticed the difference around where I live, dp and I used to be the only Asian faces around, and along with our black neighbours we were the only non-white people in this area.
Five years down the line and it's drastically changed, not that I'm complaining.
When we first moved here, we had a gang of young boys regularly stand outside my front door yelling abuse (I'd be alone in the house after a long day at work), one night around christmas a few of them tried breaking our door down. I was regularly spat at and called names, but we couldn't afford to move away then..... Now it's a bit more multicultural I don't have those problems (have to add my neighbour was a godsend and regularly sent the youths packing if he got home and found aggressive teenagers outside my front door....).

Dunno was wondering what other people think, anyone who lives around Barking/Dagenham think it's changed for the worse?? Do you really think the National Front have a chance at the next elections??

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beckybrastraps · 20/04/2006 18:04

Even if it was a protest vote, I still find it worrying. How could you bring yourself to actually put a cross next to that party? I tried to vote tactically once (NOT for the BNP), but once I had the pencil in my hand I couldn't do it, and voted for the party I support. Any other way of voting just feels plain undemocratic.

FairyMum · 20/04/2006 18:13

I think people who vote for the BNP are miserable hateful people who are loosers in life and not doing very well for themselves and they need others to blame. Unfortunately there are lots of them around, so I am not suprised.

Twinkie1 · 20/04/2006 18:20

My cousin is voting BNP - tried to get him to understand it is a completely wasted vote and he may as well set fire to his polling slip and stick it up his arse but he is really pissed after losing lots of work to immigrants who are readily working for next to nothing in his line of work (he is a dry liner).

Sorry will carry this on later have to move rooms because the white trash who have moved in next to us are playing FUCKING RAGGA music at full violume - oh to have a nice immigrant family would be a bloody godsend at the mo!!!

Blandmum · 20/04/2006 18:32

I would never vote BNP, they are abhorant.

I would spoil my ballot first.

So sorry that you are having a horrible time Fuzzy.

My parents has vile things sprayed on their door because they became friendly with a local immigrant family. Some people are just scum

Moondog · 20/04/2006 18:37

BNP are a nasty bunch (have a journo friend on the Telegraph who has covered them for ages) but it is understandable (not justifiable however) that native Britons feel disenfranchised and pushed to one side for a variety of complex reasons.

Excellent article in last week's Spectator about this.

fuzzywuzzy · 20/04/2006 18:47

I can in a strange way understand the feelings of those who want to vote for the BNP, what UCM said previously makes sense, but I honestly don't think the NHS and housing are all giving immigrants the main priority. I think that is a compeltely seperate mess

Twinkie what's a dry liner??? My dad was laid off becasue younger men from overseas were doing his job for a fraction of the amount he was earning and they were doing all the hours god sent so I kow how your cousin feels, but at the end of the day, I don't think the BNP will be able to stop that either, the compnays will merely move their business overseas where labour is cheaper if they can't get the cheap labour here iykwim

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Moondog · 20/04/2006 18:53

The article I read,mentioned that the BNP have a few black candidates. Bizarre but true.

The flood of illegal immigrants in recent times has lit the touch paper.
15-20 years ago,there wasn't that much aggro between different ethnic groups (with some obvious exceptions.)
I think Asians especially were/are admired and envied for their strong work ethic and commitment to educatiuon and family values.

I don't think the current influx of foreigners is good for anyone.The people who come here want abetter life.Who can blame them?
Yet their willingness to work hard for shit pay (and in some circumstances claim benefits)makes people very angry indeed.

It isstaggering that the situation re illegal immigrants is aschaotic and loosely controlledas it is.

So sorry Fuzzy that you have been harassed by these neanderthals. Sad

Pinotmum · 20/04/2006 18:56

I live the in neighbouring borough and have worked with many B&D residents over the years. They were mainly white, working class who believed you left school at 16 yo and put your name down on the council w/l for a council house/flat near your parents and that was that. However, it's not like that now for various reasons and so someone has to take the blame. If the BNP say it's down to immigration they believe it. Isn't there some hoo haa over one of their candidates as he's FOREIGN or summit!! BNP is not the answer and never will be.

fuzzywuzzy · 20/04/2006 19:05

The harrassment happened when we first moved here...god I missed good old Stamford hill for aaaages. I once got told to go home paki, and I was tired and pregnant and hot so I snarled I would except I can't afford a cardboard box in hackney...that sort of left the boy surprised (I think he wanted me to take a plane somewhere).

I have ot say the community police were absoutely fabulous when I had to call them out, and when the lads tried breaking my door down in the middle of the night, I got three police cars in less than three minutes from as many different roads....the boys got away, but the police knew who they were.

Pinotmum you reminded me of a conversation I overheard a couple of girls having on the bus one evening,
Gril A 'I told them I want to go on the housing list, but they said I couldn't get anything and it might take me three years, unless I have a baby'
girl b'oh no'
girl a 'yeah so I told them I don't want a baby now, but in three years I might have one'
Girl b 'that's true Lisa has two you know and she got a flat'
girl a 'yeah, you know of all the girls we know 50% have had a baby, 50% have two baby's and it just us 2% who haven't'

God that bit of math confused me.

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Moondog · 20/04/2006 19:11

Thickos do think that immigrants get housing and preferential treatment.
It is true that Britain lack saffordable state housing which is a scandal for all.
Bloody Margaret Thatcher is to blame for that.

Glad the police responded as they should have Fuzzy.
That must have restored your faith a bit.

Twinkie1 · 20/04/2006 20:52

A dry liner puts the lining into houses - think I am right in saying it is the plaster board that he pins up or something.

Anyway he had to have some sort of accreditation (sp?) and went on a course for which he payed £450!!! - When he got there (late because he runs on a different watch to the rest of us!!) there were 2 guys filling in a form - he asked where his form was and the lady who was running the course said to him that he didn't have to fill it in because he was paying for his course where as these 2 guys, who my cousin described in a horrid manner but I will just say that they weren't British, were getting it free to allow them to get a job over here and not be on benefits - my cousin also found out that they had their transport costs paid and were getting lessons for driving to make them more employable!!! - so he was well and truely pissed off - he said he would rather them on the Feckin dole because at least he would still have a job - his best friend has lost his job and is having trouble paying his mortgage and he has 2 young kids all because people are doing the jobs they did for less than the minimum wage and are able to do so because they aren't paying tax - so from his point of view he is well and truely pissed off with a system that is paying people from a different country to come in and put him out of work.

I do feel terrible for him he is young and trying to get ££ together to buy a house for him and his fiance, he is working hard but getting laid off from different jobs along the way and seeing people who arent even legal fill his shoes.

Although I wouldn't vote BNP I am quite happy to say that I would never vote for the shitty party we have in power at the moment!!!

UCM · 20/04/2006 23:34

I want to add something very serious her. My husband is in the building trade and recently in London has been putting in quotes for jobs, which are recommendation jobs, but getting blown out by someone else. It's not a major firm but Polish/Eastern Europeans who are putting in quotes which effectively earn them 30.00 per day. The secret is they are living in houses of up to 20 per house. Paying rent of 5.00 per day and sending home 10.00 of everything they are earning. Bless them, they are fantastic at what they do.

BUT, they are not paying tax, so we are on their behalf. If they choose to use the NHS they can, thats good, wouldn't want to see anyone in trouble, but if they are diagnosed with a bad back,..... well wouldn't want to see them in trouble, so they claim & claim & claim

They are putting respectable builders/dryliners/plasterers/plumbers/ out of business.

UCM · 20/04/2006 23:39

Well I spose the only party is UKIP, they would at least, pull out of this bloody ironic, stupid European Human Rights Bill.

emmawill · 21/04/2006 01:05

Yes Ukip aren't racist, like the BNP one of their main polices is to send people back to were they come from, considering most people are a mixed of all different nationlaity that wouldn't leave many people. The major problem with immrates anyway are from eastern europe and as their now part of the EU their free to come over here without any controls.

FairyMum · 21/04/2006 07:01

Exactly Emmawill. They are part of the EU! Never mind job-worries, have you ever read one of those leaflets the BNP drops off at the door? It's got nothing to do with sensible immigration policies. It's got all to do with hatred for other people. I think their latest little factsheet I got throught the door was about how muslims bread like rabbits and will soon take over the planet. Had to burn it as I didn't even want such filth in my rubbish bin.

Anyway, I prefer to use Eastern European workers and we currently have some men from Poland sin to sort out our garden. They are so much more hard-working than the Brits we have experience of and do a much better job for less, but decent money.

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FairyMum · 21/04/2006 08:32

Lockets, I agree, but this is a market economy. Generally speaking, I think the British labourers have priced themselves out of the market and it's good they are getting some competition. Obviously we don't want people to work as slaves in this country and people coming from abroad need rights too.

UCM · 21/04/2006 09:12

Ok then, so we could lose our very modest home, everything we have ever worked for, to help build the economy up in another country. I feel so much better now.

I agree that competition is great. It keeps prices at bay. But importing labour to the detriment of people already trying to earn a living in a place they have lived all of their lives is madness......

UCM · 21/04/2006 09:12

How come there is suddenly a report this post everywhere. Did anyone do anything wrong here.

kipper22 · 21/04/2006 10:34

I was born in barking too MeerkatsUnite!! at Upney hospital.

Many of my family still live in and around the area and, although I know none of them would ever vote BNP and do not have an ounce of racism, I do think they feel like the man in the report who feels it is not his town anymore. When I go to visit the place is completely unrecognisable - the cultures and values are not as I remember.

I think UCM has summed up what they would say if they were writing here.

Pinotmum · 21/04/2006 10:53

UCM, as the wife of a builder I understand exactly what you are saying.

Flossam · 21/04/2006 11:33

Ok, wading shoes on!! I have just escaped Barking two and a half weeks ago. I hated it. I felt, not that it mattered, that I was a minority. I fully appreciate that I did not experience racism or the such as many ethnic minorities sadly do still.

From my own experiences, things do seem warped there - for example, families from black or asian families newborn babies are offered the BCG to protect against TB - however their white neighbours are not.

Like UCM I have met many people from all over the world who feel there are too many immigrants in the area right now. Family who have visited us there were shocked. It is an area of deprivation and poverty, shoddy council housing and high crime. My close friend is a second generation Asian and she also finds it a big problem.

I used to live opposite a B and B - last summer I posted about a murder there, which turned out to be one immigrant killing another. A one off I know, but hardly going to further the cause of immigrants in the hearts of the locals. I will admit at the time to really begrudging their existance just across the street from me.

Interestingly, this same B and B has just undergone a major extension. Before we realised how appalling this place was (we viewed a room - deeply unpleasant - wouldn't wish it on anyone), my mum was thinking of staying as it was so close. We were unable to book a room as their books were full with long term residents!

There are high levels of black on black crime in the area, several young men have been shot deadin recent months, including one triple shooting, resulting in one fatality in a pub I used to go to.

The are has so many problems, but I don't actually think it is as much an immigration problem as much as it is a housing problem. I think the area went downhill when Barking took the money to house other area's council tenants - a practice I actually am still led to believe goes on now. It is so sad to walk past rows of lovely victorian houses, which once would have been quite grand, now ill kept, derelict, or boarded and sealed up. Kind of gives you an insight for how lovely the area once was, as family friends who used to live there, have told me.

Having also worked in a inner city hospital for several years, and this is by no means scientific - but there does seem to have been a big jump in people who have travelled over to Britain to visit family in poor health - and then quickly get admitted to HIV/AIDS or TB. Often both.

I definately think there are issues. But I don't know what the answer is. It certainly isn't to vote BNP. I only hope that some positive can come from the olympics and that the whole are of north east London can benefit from some regeneration and funding. I am so so glad to be out now, life seems much more peaceful here (after 2.5 weeks only mind!).

fuzzywuzzy · 21/04/2006 11:38

Shock at not being offered a BCG, I thought they offered the BCG to everyone regardless???

IME (my in-laws visited last year for a holiday) if someone is coming over from a developing country they are put through medical checks befroe being allowed out of the airport. My inlaws had all their medical stuff with them so were allowed out pretty quickly, other people have ot have x-rays and stuff, I believe TB is one of the main ones they look out for.

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Caligula · 21/04/2006 11:39

I tend to agree that the major cause of racism is housing and the shortage/ unaffordability of it. In fact, the major cause of most social problems is inadequate housing imo.

There's an interesting article about it \link{http://www.cpgb-ml.org/index.php?secName=proletarian&subName=display&art=167\here} Ignore all the communist symbolism and the nice pat easy solution, the analysis is quite interesting imo.

Pinotmum · 21/04/2006 11:57

People form their opinions very quickly and a one-off will be seen as evidence of a whole nations faults. In the local papers last year a Sri Lankan(?) gang war with several murders was reported just down the road from Barking in Ilford. In fact one of the execution type murders took place in the garden of a house on a road I nearly moved to so I know the area well. At the college I attend we had a girl from Sierra Leone in the class. Now I know this is a war torn country but many of my classmates didn't. This girl couldn't get her child in the creche so someone? paid for him to go to daycare whilst she attended college. Many of my classmates thought this a bit off as they had to pay at the creche. We have just completed 2 terms with 1 to go. This girl has been asked to leave as she was submitting copied essays - tutor suggested she had bought them off ebay. Now my classmates who are mainly immigrants themselves have decided ALL Africans are not to be trusted etc. Unfortunately people do generalise from all nationalities.