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"Loonies and fruitcakes and closet racists"

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Caligula · 04/04/2006 13:24

Grin

David Cameron's description of UKIP.

I'm beginning to like the guy.

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Caligula · 05/04/2006 22:08

Oh this is so gloriously amusing. Now they're threatening to sue. They had a meeting today in which they served up fruit cake.

I wonder if there were any parenting gurus present?

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theothersteve · 06/04/2006 16:26

Not that I can speak for Joolstoo, DominicConnor but I’m guessing the ‘age’ comment was aimed at the fact that you chose to use the phrase ‘coloured people’.
It is a phrase which has for some time been considered inappropriate for the not entirely unjustified reason that it isn’t an identifier of a group of people ie/ the ‘coloured’ ones so much as it is a way of defining an elite, untouched as it were, by colour.
It is the fact that the children of white and ‘coloured people’ are still described as coloured which determines that the phrase is being used to describe ‘white’ people as pure breeding and everyone else as in someway tainted.
Of course this is more about it’s historic usage, there’s nothing per se implied by its usage, that having some colour is a bad thing or indeed that anyone choosing to use such a phrase has a particular stand on race; well nothing definitive anyway.

expatinscotland · 06/04/2006 16:27

This is a vicious smear campaign.

I'm threatening legal action.

:o

SaintGeorge · 06/04/2006 16:29

Is a vicious smear campaign when they don't warm the speculum first?

DominiConnor · 06/04/2006 18:11

The "coloured people" thing may show my age, but in as much as I can remember why I used it, was because I think of UKIP type people using it, and I was trying to descirbe their view.

As for it being "inappropriate" I flatly refuse to play that stupid game. I'm not going to hop around changing my language because some the PC brigade want to ban words, rather than do anything useful.

Fact is that as soon as any term becomes common, they leap in and call it "inappropriate".

I do not mean it offensively, would use it to someone's face and have referred to my friends that way. Actually I tend not to think in terms of people's race much anyway, but I suspect that's because I care about the grey stuff in their head, not the brown stuff in their skin.

I take it that the analysis you quote of this term is sarcastic ? It's not even biologically accurate.
White people are more "pure" than "coloured" people. Straight genetic fact. Genetic diversity of people with recent ancestry in Africa is far greater than the rest of the world put together.

Of course those that believe in "purity" being a good thing are witlessly ignorant of basic science.

As any fule wot has done basic genetics knows that "Pure" in this context means pretty much the same as "a bit inbred". Populations with low genetic diversity are inherently unstable and vulnerable to plagues.
As it happens I come from one of the "purer" white populations (Irish). We are whiter than most poeple who would refer to themselves as white. That's a function of being on the edge of Europe and living in a rainy place for too long; rarely do people think of the Irish as a dominant elite.

koolkat · 06/04/2006 18:32

DC - P L E A S E !

motherinferior · 06/04/2006 18:35

Er....you can't generalise about 'white people'; it's a skin colouring which can cover all sorts of mixes. My daughters and I are all very white skinned and are ethnically half Asian. Our white halves are pretty damn diverse as well.

koolkat · 06/04/2006 18:36

A smear without a warmed speculum ? Who did that ? Report them to the RSPCA immediately !

koolkat · 06/04/2006 18:39

In fact "white" doesn't mean white at all. The original "whites" are Caucasians, as in from the region of the world called the Caucasus. Been there, they don't look anything like the Irish !

Caligula · 06/04/2006 19:41

I always get really irritated when under "ethnic group" on questionnaires, I'm expected to put "white". It's a colour, you ignoramae Wink Grin, not a bloody ethnic group!

I know I know, I'm turning into a grumpy old pedant...

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koolkat · 06/04/2006 20:05

I always tick "other" which pretty much describes me Caligula Grin

koolkat · 06/04/2006 20:42

Sorry, forgot to add black and white are not technically "colours"...ask any art teacher !

Caligula · 06/04/2006 20:48

Grin ha ha ha, someone more pedantic than me!!

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motherinferior · 06/04/2006 20:55

More pedantic than I Grin

Caligula · 06/04/2006 21:02

Et tu .... Grin

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DominiConnor · 07/04/2006 00:46

I get bugged by colour questions as well. We are required by our clients to keep records of race, age et al, and it's a real pain. People don't tell us, and I don't like to ask. It's none of my business, and I simply don't care. People can do the job, or not, and the amount of time their ancestors spent in the sun doesn't count for much.

chipmonkey · 07/04/2006 01:17

PMSL at SaintGeorge and not warming the speculum. I have felt your pain, sister!

chipmonkey · 07/04/2006 01:24

I am coloured, Mostly pink but my legs go a fearful shade of purple when i'm cold.

HRHQueenOfQuotes · 07/04/2006 01:56

ahh yes the lovely coloured term. Well (I know I've posted before but I've got PMT and feel like shit stirring)

I'm white, my husband is black and our children are..........coloured (well Goffals if we're talking to fellow Zimbo's Grin or 'mixed race' if we want to be PC - but I don't think I've ever called them that.........)

As an aside - could you imagine the outcry an newspaper headline like \link{http://www.dispatch.co.za/2001/09/08/features/COLOURED.HTM\this} would have in the UK Grin.

Right must sleep - I'm up with the boys in the morning - and working tomorrow night!

HRHQueenOfQuotes · 07/04/2006 02:01

I'm off to catch a dos - choppers and leave you ouens to it

(and if you understand that I want to know how/why - and that's without googling Grin

Caligula · 07/04/2006 07:06

I also hate the term mixed race. We're all mixed race.

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ruty · 07/04/2006 09:26

exactly Caligula.

DominiConnor · 07/04/2006 10:57

Caligua is 100% right. A friend of mine put "mongrel" when asked his origins for US security clearance, it all got quite funny.
But he was entirely correct.

I think such labels are almost always harmless however much Guaridan reader witter about inappropriate labels, most are not meant with any malice.

One of the nastiest is those used by social workers.
They cling to the ontion that kids can only be happy amongst their own kind. Thus one sees them insisting that adopting parents must be of exactly the same racial mix as the kids. I recall one advert to place a kid into a home where they insisted that the carers should be one from a particular Caribbean island and one from a north African background. Given the shortage of people prepared and competent to take in kids this level of filter is notonly absurd, but cruel, given how unpleasant "care" in local authorites can be.

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