How wicked of you, David Cameron.

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So we're going back to Victorian notions of the 'undeserving poor'. Time to re-open the workhouses.

How this man and his cronies are getting away with so much damage done to the ordinary man and woman, I do not know.

Help us all.

www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/nov/09/deserving-families-council-housing-priority

Glitter, I slave my fingers to the bone every day being as little help to the community and society as I can. Apart from all my bills are paid, I pay VAT on my shopping where it's due. My NI and income tax were paid when I had a job, and I am often to be found organising community activities that are in the main educational. Still I do nothing me!

Nobody will be made homeless, just different groups being given higher priorities. Agree with niceguy, change is long overdue and anything that rewards work can only be good for future generations.

Glitter, thats simply a daft argument re saving £150k. Parents are meant to care for their children they choose to have or adults care for family. The government ensures disabled people can eat, heat and have a roof over thei heads if they cannot work.

"Nobody will be made homeless, just different groups being given higher priorities"

Really? You think there's enough properties available that someone who isn't top of the list wont be homeless??

Happymommy, would you like to tell me why then if no one is being made homeless why the number of homeless on our streets is rising? Or if you read this from Shelter blog.shelter.org.uk/2012/11/a-return-to-revolving-door-homelessness/ tell me how if things are unfair, then how things will be fairer?

hermione weasley. This old post of mine from a previous thread may answer some of your questions in your post.

DarkesteyesSun 21-Oct-12 21:30:55

HappyMummyof One tax credits are a business subsidy so that employers can get away with paying low wages.
How the hell are people on part time hours in places like supermarkets suppossed to get extra hours when those extra hours are being filled by people on workfare.
Even if by some miracle you got the extra hours one week you may not get them the next or you could only get the extra hours very intermittently.
That means you have to keep ringing up HMRC every 5 mins with the changes. Their system just cant keep up.
Also a lot of part time jobs say that they need some one for 18 hrs a week but MUST keep themselves AVAILABLE for the rest of the time JUST IN CASE.
Happy you just havent thought it through.

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DarkesteyesSun 21-Oct-12 21:32:23

And if you have to keep yourself available just in case how the fuck are you suppossed to get a second part time job.

Glitter, thats simply a daft argument re saving £150k. Parents are meant to care for their children they choose to have or adults care for family. The government ensures disabled people can eat, heat and have a roof over thei heads if they cannot work

The government is pulling the plug on disabled and sick people now though.

Glitters point is that she cares for her disabled children and that is what saves 150k per annum.

HappyMummy.
Should I choose to put my children or dh in care, it would cost the country a fortune. So, for the princely sum of fifty quid a week, I work an eighteen hour day, every day of the year. Was just discussing that the last time I went out socially was for two hours on ds1s birthday in January.
I save the country a fucking fortune by not putting my family in care. Yep, I chose to have the kids, I didn't choose for them to be autistic. Neither did I choose for my dh to be disabled, it just happened. I do have choices, I can put them in care and that would involve paying staff, heating costs, feeding costs, health care costs 24 hours a day. So yes, we carers do save the government a fortune.

"Glitter, thats simply a daft argument re saving £150k. Parents are meant to care for their children they choose to have or adults care for family. The government ensures disabled people can eat, heat and have a roof over thei heads if they cannot work."

no parents do not have to care for disabled children. they can make the state look after them by having them placed in residential care. that would cost a lot more than a paltry carers allowance.
why should a parent care for a child for the rest of the parents life?
parents save the government a fortune.

I agree with Amber Dawn Threesocks and Glitter.

By the same token the state I presume could do what they like with these children the parents don't "have" to care for then ?

they do
have you not seen the news lately

you are missing the point though,
people do not chose to me carers
they don't dream of being a carer when at school
getting pennys per hour.
living on benefits because there is no job that allows them to work round it.
the government have relied on this for years.
now they are taking the safety net carers rely on away. so the sad fact is a lot of families will not be able to cope, and more disabled children and adults will end up in institutions.

In the same way that I don't think the states provision for education is good enough for my children and therefore I pay for alternatives no doubt you don't think the states care is adequate and therefore sacrifices are made to ensure your family receives better.
I didn't dream of working for nothing but school fees for twenty years but that's what life has come to.
I don't feel I'm doing anyone a favor though.

With the greatest of respect, your children are not the governments responsibility at all. They are your children. This government, any government, didn't choose or cause your children any of their disabilities.
That we live in a country where the state endeavors to help by providing a raft of benefits for a family who struggles to work in the conventional sense, because they need to look after their own children, is something to be applauded.
I absolutely agree with Outraged. It is impossible to discuss anything related to benefits on this forum without it being hijacked into a debate about disability.

Mosman WTF was your last post about?

Sunflowers

so despite reading thhis thread, you still dont understand why disabilities always comes into it?

Benefits are being taken away from the disabled RIGHT NOW

What do you need to see before this will sink in?

Hey Dave and fans. Why you go the whole hog and just build shower blocks for all those people who are undeserving. You know, those special shower blocks.

That's where demonisation ends, after all.

Oh and disabled children grow into disabled adults.

How many parents do everything for their children even when that child is 41 and older?

How many parents still change their 30yo DS's nappy?

THIS is the reality for Carers.

It's the reality for carers in other countries too, but carers in the UK are still lucky to get the limited support they do from their government in comparison to carers in the majority of the world.

I'm not trying to say that the cuts to disability and carers benefits and services are something I agree with. They are very much not. As a developed and relatively rich country, supporting disabled people is of course something the government should do.

But I do get frustrated when the line 'I save the government a fortune' is trotted out. Caring only 'saves' the government money in countries that offer support in the first place. In other countries where there are parents who love and care for their disabled children and families every bit as much as those in this country do, except they have nothing except themselves to rely on. By saying that you are saving the government money, you are effectively saying that you are entitled to support, rather than fortunate to have support. That's the difference.

In any civilised society carers should be ENTITLED to support.

There is nothing wrong with having a sense of entitlement to something you are entitled to.

There's something wrong with a sense of entitlement if it leaves you feeling let down all the time, rather than appreciative of what you do have. Being able to appreciate even small mercies makes for a much happier, less resentful person.

I live in a country that provides support, ergo I am entitled to said support.

But the "I say the Govt a fortune" SHOULD be trotted out....especially when others are bemoaning their taxes going towards such benefits.

This Govt offers support, in this country we are fortunate but I resent the idea I should be grovelling and grateful for something which ALL countries should do.

I don't feel let down by the support, only by the cuts to the support....some of which are practical help.