How wicked of you, David Cameron.

[vivizone]

So we're going back to Victorian notions of the 'undeserving poor'. Time to re-open the workhouses.

How this man and his cronies are getting away with so much damage done to the ordinary man and woman, I do not know.

Help us all.

www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/nov/09/deserving-families-council-housing-priority

I think some people don't realise what DLA is for!

Again HappyMummy go and look at how the changes will affect familys in reciept of DLA/carers etc. IT IS CHANGING.

DLA is to contribute to the EXTRA COSTS incurred through disability.

Being disabled costs more than not being disabled! It's not fucking rocket science! DLA is only awarded to people with sufficient loss of function that they need assistance to get around or stay clean and fed and safe.

Therefore people getting DLA are not usually "better off" than if they weren't disabled! Because a non-disabled person doesn't have those costs in the first place.

Simple analogy for the hard of thinking :
If I had a low income, I would get a contribution towards my glasses. But I wouldn't be better off than if I didn't need glasses. Because contribution or not, I incur the cost of buying glasses.

I think you're struggling mentally, HappyMummy because DLA is handled in money form.

If it were given in the form of half a mobility scooter; or someone to prepare meals on Mon, Weds, Fri; or to help bathe only at weekends, it would dawn on you that not only is the person getting DLA not "better off", they're having to fund the other half of the scooter, etc, out of their income - which may itself be restricted if they can't work.

oh yay so I am "much better off"
blimey how stupid

Hmm yes. Rolling it on Carers and IS.
All other money is earmarked for the children.

have you seen the prices? I got dd a bib(adult sized) over 10 quid.
VOCA 8 grand!!!

I give up.

Same thread, different title.

Bring on the goats.

Oh cool.
I'm pretty sure someone decked them out in Moulin Rouge style dancer outfits last week.

Hopefully they haven't eaten them...

I haven't got a goat can't afford to feed it

i need a cow

Over 300 posts and Outraged is the first to mention goats!

did yours get the sequin upgrade, Amber?

Well, of course I'm rolling in it. Currently I get just £34 a week IS, because I had no choice but to accept the only terms offered to me of a repayment plan of almost 50% of my benefits each week when I HAD to get a social loan to cover the costs of my disabilities (that ATOS claim aren't disabling enough) and costs of my DC's disabilities, as THEY keep getting turned down for DLA.

I went and wasted that money on crack or something. I must be entirely mistaken in thinking that the vast portion of it went on replacing my DS2's broken nebuliser. The NHS had put me on a waiting list, that is 3 years long. The only thing keeping him from being permanently hospitalised for those 3 years wait is that nebuliser that I bought, and an paying back for at £33 a week out of the £71 income that I am meant to have.

The rest of the loan? A new kettle tipper to prevent me from scalding myself if when more like I have a seizure while mid pour. Also on new Anti-suffocation pillows at a cost of £60 a pair, that have to be replaced every 6 months or they are not effective.

Yeah, I'm fucking ROLLING in it. Every other penny that comes into this house is meant to be to cover the children's needs. Yet I am having to pay bills out of the money that is meant to feed and clothe them because I had to fork out £350 to replace something the NHS are meant to provide for my DS2 that makes the difference in his quality of life between being stuck in a hospital bed for 3 years to access the medicine he needs to bloody BREATHE (kind of essential, yeah?!) or being at home and attending school, and seeing his friends.

But, yeah, I guess I'll have to hit myself a few more times with that 2 by 4 before I actually believe I'm rolling in it.

Even the manager at my electricity company drew a SIOB when I explained my repayment schedule and what I had spent the money on, whilst I was rearranging payments given my distinct lack of, erm, well-offness...

They took my goat away. I wasn't disabled enough for a goat.

It gets embarrassing when the manager of your electric company starts asking you if you have been to this Charity or that Charity, and that you repayment schedule is the worst she's ever seen on a Social Fund loan.

She was that shocked that she has put a stop on any action on my account until next April, no matter HOW much arrears I get into.

That just tells me that I should have a goat hanging around somewhere. But nope, the goat's fucked off.

Glitter my goat is a trendsetter

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz I do hope the "bored people" read your posts. they might learn something.

I agree with the caps on housing benefit. I agree with child benefit being reduced for people earning over £50,000 a year. I hope low paid workers pay less tax in future. The personal allowance should be set around £15,000. This would help a lot of people in poverty.

How the holy hell did they get a picture of me and my goat on the internet?

Pre Christina upgrade, by the way.

My goat has its own flat screen TV

I'm from Scotland we do not do goats:www.minihighlandcattle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Button-33in-at-20-mo-web.jpg

And actually, the article DOESN'T mention disabilities at all. I've reread it. Which is what drew me in to posting in the first place!

Based on that logic then practically every news article is scaring the shit out of you then yes?

I mean the govt are under pressure not to put the 3p rise on fuel duty. Using your logic the fact they haven't mentioned carers and disabled people means that they must be uncaring bastards who hate the disabled yes? Otherwise they'd waive the duty rise for those receiving DLA right?

My point is that if you are minded to, you can drag practically any news article back to disabilities. And sooner or later you start to sound like a one trick pony and people switch off which does your cause no good at all.

Thank you niceguy2 for putting into words so well what I tried to say earlier when I said why I turn away from these threads as they all turn into the same 'poor me one upman ship' eventually.
It's not about getting bored or being unsympathetic,it's about the conversation descending into the same material by the same people being rehashed all the time regardless of the content of the original post and with that coming to a grinding halt.

I am minded of the story of Chicken Little, who cried that 'the sky is falling' so often that folk stopped listening.
I think your objectives would be better served if you picked your fights.
You have virtual universal good will, but risk alienating people with your consistently aggressive stance.

do you know, this thread started with people complaining that it was going back to the 'deserving' and 'undeserving' poor, then have filled this thread with talk of disabled people needing to have priority - the clear view is that if you are disabled you are deserving poor.

I'm not saying that's wrong, but perhaps people would look again at this view - if you are accepting that certain groups are more deserving of help than others, then you are making a value judgement not just based on 'first come, first served' with housing provision for those who meet the criteria.

All this new proposal does is put other groups in the 'deserving' pile - if you think that anyone (from within those who meet the criteria to get housing) should be prioritised, then you do feel that some people are more deserving than others.

And don't say it's about levels of need, everyone who meets the criteria for council housing needs a roof over their head and can't afford to pay for it themselves, they all are in need. Everyone on the housing lists has a reason why then need help and 'deserve' it.