Justin Lee Collins found guilty

[FreudiansGoldSlipper]

just heard

good a man just slapping his girlfriend, being verbally abuse is taken serioulsy sometimes

Christ, I'm glad I wasn't in St Albans yesterday. I suspect the temptation to have shoved him onto the tracks may have proved overwhelming

dilys
Oh come on yourself.

You choose to disbelieve people rather than admit that you might just be wrong

To paraphrase slightly
Glad I wasn't at school with you. I can only imagine what you were like back then.

I wonder who said something like that!

Dowagers, I know how you feel, I go through that station every day and almost wish I'd been there to give him a shove...

But there are loads of posters on here. Is only the first person who comes across chipstick's "well, she made him do it" apologetics allowed to disagree? If everyone disagrees with her strongly, why can't we say so (yes, even as many as five of us) without being described as "mob-handed" or "piling in"?

Make that six.

Seven...

casey It seems so. You are also not allowed to get angry when someone accuses a victim of being malicious or lying (despite evidence to the contrary)

Well, it looks like Chipstick (and a couple of others who foolishly deviated from the defacto Mumsnet line) has wisely left the conversation anyway. I happen to agree with the consensus on here, rather than the alternative view, but I don't like the way some of the posters (not just Chaz) went about it, so I'll remove myself too. And you can all be joyously together in agreement.

I'm prepared to listen to the outlandish statements about the victim and even entertain the idea that JLC might not be guilty if any one of you can show where a mistake was made in the case or judicial process.

Until such time as the prosecution or jury can be shown to have behaved inappropriately or unlawfully I think anyone blaming the victim or disputing the validity of the verdict should stay quiet. Otherwise I'm afraid I and several others will point out that you are being a prat. And some of you don't seem to be able to handle that although you're very quick to level much worse accusations at a proven victim of domestic violence.

The defacto MN line? Seriously, you think it's about that? How about some of us have been in the same situation as JLC's ex and are (understandably) pissed off that even with evidence and a guilty verdict, cunts like him still get painted as the victim of malicious liars? Why is it ok for a minority to say such hurtful and nasty things, but the majority of us are bullies when we call them on it?

"It gives me a glimmer of hope that attitudes to DV and abusive behaviour might be changing"

Me too. Evolution seems to be a slow progress on these kind matters - but gradually gradually things seem to be moving in the right direction.

The judge got it wrong with the 'out of character' quip but Rome wasn't made in a day.

If there is a defacto MN line (which I am yet to find) then perhaps its "when a person is convicted of abuse / domestic violence after due judicial process it is reasonable to assume that their victim was just that, a victim and that the abuser was just that, an abuser"

well said, Chaz.