5 yr old girl "snatched" in Wales

[mumblechum1]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19795761

Let's all keep our eyes peeled

Porto, in this case he wasn't a stranger but hypothetically if there had been some kind of tracking available it might have altered the outcome markedly.

and I hope it isn't really distasteful to say that. I'm sorry.

Oh behave about tagging your children. If you are not raising an independent person, what's the point in having a child? When do you deactivate the tag? Does the child have a choice? Silly kneejerk talk.

Or it might not. We don't know that. We can't chip all our children on the basis of this.

When do they really become independant though? At five, seven, nine?

Imo it happens gradually. A missing three year old in a supermarket can hardly be expected to fend for itself.

And at this moment in time WE have no clue as to what has happened here.

Get. A. Grip.

Sorry?

Well if a private company brings it out, i would be tempted to have my child done.

The other argument would be to actually do something to put these people off, if caught, PROPER punishment.. castration or having a hand cut off. Or are the bleeding hearts going to say they wouldn't want to live in a society that does that either.

Problem is, they would then go all out to not get caught. Bodies would be well disposed of/hidden in order to prevent vital evidence being found.

Its not a kneejerk reaction at all, i've lived through jamie bulger ect and have always thought the same. Phones could be thrown out of a car window, GPS bracelets ripped off and ditched.

I've said all i'm going to say in it really. Its just an idea.

Things, not 'bleeding hearts' people. Just sane ones.

and thanks for indicating you've said all you are going to say.

Cutting off people's hands is fairly extreme. I was with you on the GPS but here is where I duck out.

Even a three year old can be taught not to go off with a stranger in a supermarket. If not they can be sat in the trolley. They don't need 'chipping' because, unlike pets, they mostly just do not have the instinct to wander far from their parents.

Most kids in danger are very sadly in danger around those they know and trust. Chipping isn't going to help that.

I know. But maybe I have had different three year olds to you. Mine had a very strong urge to wander off from me.

It would just be nice to be able to find them quickly if they did - even in circumstances that are very normal, don't involve strangers, etc - just getting lost in a crowded street for example.

Well true i would expect most people to duck out on that one. What do you do to put them off, then?
How do we stop them?

Things, this case is very, very sad - but these things happen so infrequently that it is near impossible to protect against it. We are best served putting our energy into educating our kids to have self respect, to respect others etc. The people who perpetrate these sort of crimes are not worrying about the justice system.

You are right, of course.
Think the events of the past few days have twisted my melon :(

And others love a drama - I saw on FB that someone had started a page called RIP April. Family members asked her to remove it - and she/he fucking hasn't and is calling it "respectful" Atrocious!

There is always talk like this after an extreme case.

Ben Needham, Jamie Bulger, Madeline McCann, and now April Jones.

But also Baby Peter, Victoria Climbié and many more.

All at the hands of extreme evil. Home and away. The likes of which we could never legislate for, because we could never define it, because it is beyond comprehension.

Chipping would never work, because the goal posts are constantly being redefined. The minute you are complacent, something else would happen.

I know .. thinking about it rationally now really. There are plus points, but as you say, and i should know, the most risk is from close friends and family.
Just been a frightening few days hasn't it. Sorry ..

Pan, where did you get this from?

'The numbers of child abductors hasn't changed at all, per year, since records began, about 50 per year since 1950'

Tell me about the stuff on FB too, my SDsis posted saying Aprils body had been found.
I can't imagine how her parents are feeling, not one bit, because i felt sick when i read that until i found nothing on the news or on here

Ponders, the thing about there been no more child abductions than 50 years ago is certainly something I was taught on my criminology degree. People think the figures are higher now but this is because such cases are now reported so widely and for so long in a way they didn't used to be.

Wider reporting would not change figures.

No, it doesn't change the figures. The figures stay the same but people's perception of incidents increases.