Emotional, financial and psychological abuse is now to be officially recognised by police as domestic violence.

[MummysHappyPills]

Just heard this on 6 music news. About time too.

MHP.

Allow me to extend an Old Country welcome to y'all, Gabby Jill. You wouldn't like it here. We don't believe in corporal punishment for children, the use of "paddles" is illegal, wives are not surrendered, we don't carry guns and we don't murder murderers.

We make good tea, though.

John Lewis/Refuge Christmas Present appeal.

www.redonline.co.uk/news/sam-baker-s-daily-letter/john-lewis-refuge-gift-list

Dear "Nutt", We appreciate your fine "Country"greeting...even though we are
from Washington,DC.We Here say..."Spare the rod and Spoil the Child".Paddles
are,considered Cruel and Unusual Punishment,though.As for "Wives being Sur-
Rendered"...we women take "Self-Defense"Classes,carry small,Handbag Guns;
..and the majority of us believe that God will judge us-in His Time...and that
No MAN should play God and destroy another-like in Capital Crimes.Jill.

I really don't think that 'Spare the Rod Spoil the Child' is common parlance in Washington DC.

...It is within the confines of both of our churches.My Mother spanked me so
many times (and it got me Mad at her); that I could not Bring myself to spank
Scotty and Amy.When the grandparents weighed in on this Lack of discipline on
my part...("You'll be sorry,J-Girl because the children will Not Learn to be re-
spectful!") my husband and I developed Other more Humane ways to show them that their behavior was NOT acceptable.And believe me,DC is Waaaay
More "Common" than you could ever know.Highest Crime Rate in the Nation-
So, methinks that Someone is "sparing" the rod a little too much.

"Two countries separated by a common language" and all that

Japple, here we reserve capital letters for the beginning of sentences and proper nouns; otherwise we assume people are ignorant.

Have you come across Nethuns?

We are planning to take a giant cruise.Hubby wants to go see his family in
Norway,and I want to go visit my Father's people.So far,passports are at the
Ready,all immunizations are taken, however,we are trying to decide just how
cruises hook-up and what port charges we will need...and like that.

this is all a bit weird here suddenly...wtf?????

so..1 Q why do you carry a small purse gun?...just so you have something in your bag?...just unloaded for waving about 'incase'??...if you are saying 'no man should play god and destroy another's life'...how does that compute at all with everyone carrying guns and the crime rate so high...obviously quite a lot of people playing god surely????...including yourself?

Q2 why do we need to know about your 'giant cruise' to visit your 'fathers people'....how is anything you are waffling about even relative to this thread???

goodbye y'all!...enjoy yer trip....

It's a bot, bleep Some software companies are developing them by letting them loose on the web but unfortunately the software isn't quite at the standard of human thought processes yet...

oh wow...I didn't know this...freeky stuff!!!

Ah, that explains everything Bertie - I had no idea they were that well developed!

It is pretty clever - and amusing Most sites delete them. I like that MNHQ just let them hang around until they get bored!

You'd think they could have got the punctuation right, though.

It'll never catch on.
(I've always wanted to say that!)

whoaaaaaa - the force i work for as a pc - the same force getting vilified in the media lately - has always seen this as a DV.....it was incorporated as part of my training and i am well up on spotting all forms of DV....

is this news?

This is an oldish thread, but yes it was a couple of weeks back...

Vicarina the Home Office has formally adopted the ACPO guidelines in its own definition, which was not previously the case.

www.homeoffice.gov.uk/media-centre/news/domestic-violence-definition?version=2

i thought what the "news" aspect was that it now applied to people under the age of 18 - previously under home office guidelines this did not apply to under 18's - although we obviously were aware that it did and had our own procedures in place to report DV for those under the age of 18.

didnt see the age of the thread - it was in active convos when i posted.

Vicar, no offence but obviously will cause offence there is a lot wrong with how the police handle dv. God knows what "some" police officers are trained in as only a few weeks ago I heard a "female" officer telling a victim off for winding up the perpetrator. There is a long way to go in respect to dv and the law/police practice.

Not that anyone really gives a shit about victims as long as it is not them it's happening to.

Maybe acting quicker with dv perps would keep cop killers behind bars?

actually we have strict guidelines on how we handle DV - i cant see how that is true.

what i find more depressing for example, is that last week i spent 4 hours with a victim of DV, taking a detailed statement, photographing her injuries, supporting her, preparing reports for other departments to take the case on and offer her support from other organisations.

i got an email 2 days later saying she has retracted her complaint and is back with him, despite the fact he abuses her, abused her baby so she had it taken into care, abused her pet so she got rid of it.

ultimately, sometimes, we are helpless. The CPS will not run low level cases of DV without a victim who is willing to aid prosecution.

sometimes - it all feels like a waste of time. i come home depressed and fed up.

Cheers for what? The police had been unable to do anything about that perpetrator and now two officers are dead.

The incident I saw was low level, what is that woman to do? wait until he's put her in intensive care before she's protected? dead? She's not safe unless he's behind bars but getting that conviction is nigh on impossible.

She has no money, he takes it, he controls everything she does and is so deeply damaged by mind games she can't get out.

A whole different approach is obviously needed.

was he known for DV?

did you read the part where i said all domestic violence cases go to the CPS or crown prosecution service ??

prosecutions without a victim who is willing to go to court will not run - the CPS will not run them unless its a serious or extreme case.

the decision is not in the hands of the police.

stop blaming the police for something we have absolutely no say in, and i think ti suggest that the police are in some way to blame for the actions of Dale Cregan in killing those officers is fairly reprehensible.

dale cregan is responsible for his actions - no one else.

Vintage, that was really out of order, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Vicar, I think I revived this thread, and I'm sorry I did. I assumed it would just wander off into a discussion about bots...

jux its fine. dont worry.