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You're gonna love this. 'Love, honour and submit' , new vows rolled out by Anglican Church in Sydney.

18 replies

theresafire · 06/09/2012 16:47

Journo's are already likening / linking it to 50 Shades. Rolls like this, 'will you submit to your DH, as the church submits to Christ?'. WTF? He isn't God!

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theresafire · 06/09/2012 16:50

After all the work done to lose obey.

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EdMcDunnough · 06/09/2012 17:10

Is this really true? As in real true fact?

[stunned]

BartletForTeamGB · 06/09/2012 21:49

I promised to "submit" to my husband and it had nothing to do with that awful book. It is because it is a biblical principle.

Ephesians 5 says

"21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

The submission of marriage in the Bible isn't one of being a doormat. It is of mutual love and submission to each other. Just as my husband should be loving me as Christ loved the church, so putting me in front in everything and thinking of what is best for me in everything, I, because this is the Biblical pattern, submit to his leadership. I don't blindly follow and am not a doormat, but we love and care for one another.

joanofarchitrave · 06/09/2012 21:53

'we love and care for one another.'

That's a vow I can sign up to.

GotMyGoat · 06/09/2012 21:54

Bartlet - if the bible and the church meant mutual love and respect, than why do husbands not vow to submit to wives, and wives be reminded to love their husbands?

Sounds very doormattey to me.

GotMyGoat · 06/09/2012 21:57

'we love and care for one another.'

Agree, however, that this is a good sentiment!

FoxtrotFoxtrotSierra · 06/09/2012 21:59

Obey isn't lost from marriage vows. You can choose to say it. If someone else promises to cherish you then they would never force you to submit/obey in a negative way.

TodaysAGoodDayForTeamGB · 06/09/2012 22:05

'Submit' sounds scarily similar to 'obey'. I said neither.

theresafire · 06/09/2012 23:02

Ed a quick google will show you this is very definately really happening right now.

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stretch · 07/09/2012 09:01

"For the husband is the head of the wife..." really Hmm Must tell DH. not

Catkinsthecatinthehat · 07/09/2012 11:52

Interesting article on it here Seems the Sydney diocese wants women to be submissive and accept male headship in the secular workplace as well.

Tansie · 07/09/2012 14:55

Bart Yeah, but you were 'made' to publicly promise in a clear and unambiguous manner that you'd 'submit' to your DH. Nowhere did he have to make such an unambiguous statement, did he? What he may have had to have said may have implied he'd 'love and submit' to you in turn, but....

oh, I give up.

I guess I will never understand why, in the 21st century, we even allow airtime to this nonsense.

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 07/09/2012 14:59

I only submit when I'm playing 'peanuts'.

RabidCarrot · 07/09/2012 15:18

Love Honour and wash my socks...

theresafire · 07/09/2012 15:20

Reckon it'll catch on?

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IloveJudgeJudy · 07/09/2012 15:41

Luckily, as an RC, I didn't even have the option to obey Smile. Wouldn't have done it. Hate that Ephesians letter. What did Paul know? It's not a direct commandment from God, it's just Paul's interpretation. The family always laugh and smile at me when that reading is read out at church.

MrsMiniversCharlady · 07/09/2012 16:06

Bartlet, Paul also states that women should be silent in church. Do you also obey that rule?

grimbletart · 07/09/2012 16:16

Another silly religious nutjob. How can anyone with an IQ bigger than their shoe size take them seriously.

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