forget creationism in schools....abortion is about to be make illegal in mississippi

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Uh-huh. The Irish. Mhamai and LGJ. Yes, this explains a lot :o.

Here's an interesting fact. The Church of Ireland is protestant (Anglican).

Throwback to when we were "owned" by Britain!

Everyone who posted about moving to another state for an abortion: I had those thoughts immediately after posting and realised what a crock I had posted..[rueful look]
I had no idea that a woman could be effectively imprisoned within her state and forced to gestate.

What was backstreet abortion like in the States, then, before Roe vs Wade?

Blu, that case was in 1992 - the X case it was called. It was horrible - as I remember a young girl (14 yrs old) was raped and became pregnant. Her parents were about to bring her to the UK for an abortion but somebody stepped in and the case went to the high court. They forbade her to go as it was against the irish constitution but this decision was overturned by the supreme court two weeks later who allowed the abortion as there was a real risk to the mothers life (she was understandably sucidal). There were two referendums following this and the law in Ireland now is that abortion is allowed if there is a risk to the mothers life (before this, even cancer treatment would not permitted if a woman was pregnant as this might damage the foetus). It's still easier for Irish women to travel to the UK than avail of one in Ireland.

Pruni, that pissed me off too, but how enforcable is it. I mean if you are early enough in the pregnancy that you are going for an abortion, how is anyone going to know you are preggnant. Okay, some people might be showing, but surely most wouldn't.

It's still horrific. But, I'm just saying that they'll have trouble enforcing their horrific plan.

And what if I'm from Illinois, the father is from Wyoming, we had sext in Massachusettes, but I'm present in Alaaska. Which state owns that baby?

Maybe they would track the sale of pregnancy tests? It is scary big-brother stuff.

And how are they going to stop me? Are they going to put all pregnant women in jail just in case we might be tempted to visit the clinic.

Bunch of stupid bigots. I really don't think they'll get away with it. And, if they do, the Republican party is going to find very few women voting for it. It's time they wake up and realise a lot of Rebulicans are not extremist Christians.

That statement would probably risk pissing people off if I wasn't the only Republican on this site.

From what I remember, the case in Ireland that several people referred to, resulted in the girl being allowed to travel to the UK for an abortion. I can't really remember why it ended up in court, though, because Irish women and girls had been travelling for abortions for many years before and still do.

Chipmonkey, from his previous posts, I think DominiConnor had a Catholic education which scarred him for life, hence his anti-Irish, anti-Catholic bias

eefs, didn't see your post. Thanks for clarifying what happened. Although the case was traumatic, it had value in that it caused a lot of previously conservative thinkers to question their position by imagining what they would feel if it was their daughter. I think the rapist was an adult friend of the family

actually KatyP - you reminded me, there was another case "the C case" in 1998. Another 13 yr old girl raped and became pregnant while she was in state care. The issue then was not over abortion per se but if she could be allowed to travel to the UK for an abortion while under state care. Again, she was eventually allowed to travel when she became suicidal. The second referendum was held after that to decide the current law and to allow info on abortion to be freely provided. The difference between Ireland and the article below on the US is that while abortion is not freely available in Ireland, there is no current restriction on getting information on abortion in the UK and no restriction on travelling to obtain one.

The rapist in the X case wa the father of the girl's friend. He said she consented!(consented? wtf, she was 14!) He later became a taxi driver and was convicted of the attempted sexual assault of a 15 yr old passenger.

Shudder shuddere shudder.

I only brought up the Irish case (s) because I was aware that actually preventing people travelling for a termination was something that had been attempted before.

It was justifiable to bring it up, Blu, and it was illustrative of the type of scenario that can arise. Just that any posts I have seen by DominiConnor are anti-catholic and though I'm no longer Catholic, I felt I had to say something!

Bad, bad news.

It's just plain misogyny. Passing a law to privilege a potential life, the embryo, over and above an actual sentient life, the mothers. There was a discussion on radio 4 about this last week and the woman speaking for the pro-choice lobby said abortion was now 'popular' in this country. She couldn't have chosen a more inappropriate and inaccurate word if she'd tried! I felt like strangling her! With friends like these who needs bloody enemies?

Uwila would you still vote Republican if this got through?

I would because I think it is to some extent a myth that Republican=anti choice. I think there are a lot of repulican who support choice and a lot of Democrats who don't. For example, statistically speaking, Catholics tend to be Democrats. Work that on eout for me, will ya?

The problem is you get these wholly roller evangelists who latchonto the Republican party and people think they are representative of the rest of us. They are not!

So yes I will probably vote Republican until the day I die.

I also am not much of a one-issue voter. (might depend on the issue though) I'm inclined to think (or perhaps it's just denial) that this has an element of media hype and won't really go very far.

Wholly??? GRRR more like Holy.

But maybe you need to bring your republican senators attention to how you feel. They must be under a lot of pressure from these vocal types.

Actually, DominiConnor, we are not a Catholic country, we have no state religion.
That's actually untrue. The Irish constitution specifically talks of the special place of Catholicism.

The majority of people here would describe themselves as Catholics BY CHOICE
I'm trying to work out why you say that Ireland isn't a Catholic country yet has a majority of Catholics and special legal relationships with the Church.

What would a country havr to be, to meet your definition of "being Catholic" ?

As I recall Ireland only caught up with the civilised world in the mid 1990's Oscar Wilde was a long time ago.

What "fight" over divorce? There have been VOTES on divorce,
You don't read your own newspapers ?

As for the charge of racism, that's just bizarre.
Think about my name, think about it slowly if that
helps. Hint : Dominic is not a Moslem name, trust me on this..

I knew this would happen, and now it has.

and the higher courts may not trash it - the supreme court now has a conservative majority remember.

blinkin US politics. the UK will go the same way if we don't watch out. I'm off to join a political party.

Dominic, I just read you post about male/women bias, IYSWIM? I think the majority of organisers of this will be male however, linked to male hierarchies of the christian right in the US. Many women will do their duty and stand beside them in the protests but I'd bet it's the menfolk who are thinking p the strategies. (Haven't researched this yet, so it's just a hunch but I am going to stick my nose in soon as I get to that chapter of my dissertation.)

Dominic, you're not the first anti-irish Irish person I've met. Homosexuals were still being imprisoned in Britain in 1989 for "offences" against those ageed under 21. And to be Catholic here is a choice, there's no-one banging down my door on a Sunday making me go to mass. (Well, my MIL tries but has had no success!)

I agree with monkeytrousers. I feel sometimes that anti-choice campaigners try to suggest that hordes of women troop gaily to the abortion clinic every couple of months, as though terminating a pregnancy were as inconsequential as getting their nails done. Well, bollocks to that. Yes, I'm sure there are a few women who have had several abortions and could be accused of using it as a safety net but for the vast majority, abortion is a difficult and meaningful decision. But it is essential that women retain the choice. And quite terrifying that it might be taken away from so many women in the States.

This was an interesting point made in a book i just read:

"The values people vote for are not necessarily the same values they live by. No region of the US has a higher divorce rate than the Bible Belt..In fact, 8 of the 10 states that lead in national divorce are red (Republican), where as the state with the lowest divorce rate is deep blue Massachusetts. Even if people consider themselves conservative or vote Republican, their political ideals may be just that: a reflection of the way they wish things were in America, rather than a product of the way they actually experience it"

..Which does no one any good in the long run.