So how much would you pay for milk?

[IWanders]

All the articles on the news is making me think, if the supermarkets put the price of milk up how much would you be happy to pay? I don't like the thought of harming our dairy industry and making more families struggle.

Personally I would be happy as long as milk didn't go above say £3.50 on 6 pints which is the size I buy.

It would mean having to cut back on other things to compensate but I am curious as to how much others think milk should cost?

xenia no, supplements are not ideal. But unfortunately there is no vegan way to get B12 naturally. And I would rather be vegan which is my choice, that I am not ramming down the throats of others or being agressive about

All cows are animals, but not all animals are cows.

Some cows live in the UK, but not all cows live in the UK.

p.s. I wonder where the grain-based feeds sold by this company in Cheshire go, for example, if they are not eaten by UK cows?

Or this one?

Did I misunderstand the post about UK cows not eating grain-based feed?

pigletjohn I bow to your superior googling skills ((bows))

That's OK.

I don't work in Agribusiness, but I have some familiarity with concentrates, but not cattle.

I hope Flatpack won't make me move to a city and become a vegan.

Xenia, you won't get enough Vit D from sun exposure anywhere north of Birmingham in winter. Even an hour of naked body exposure won't do it. You run through your stores until there is a deficit in spring, which has been connected with the much higher rates of multiple sclerosis in temperate climates like this one. In the past and in paleo times people ate an awful lot more oily fish tan most do now.

Vit D2 - not just any old off the peg - works well if taken once a day and with food, and can prevent MS if you take it from late teens. Six sardines or mackerel every day would do it too.

I know but you can build up stocks in the summer for the winter.

And I bought an island near the equator so I can always go there for winter sun but I appreciate that not all women are prepared to work hard enough to buy islands.

can prevent MS

Is this acknowledged by mainstream health professionals?

I am not an MS expert by any means and have not written about it on this thread but do watch the Dr Wahls videos on diet and MS on youtube anyone with an interest in that area.

Piglet, it's an idea they are trying out. It's being trialled because of the temperate zone link, which isn't genetic but environmental. Note I said 'can', not 'will', but perhaps it would have been more accurate to say 'may'.

And yes, Xenia, you can store up Vit D but not if you spend the whole summer north of Birmingham. I didn't realise you had a tropical island. I'd prefer a Scottish one, I think :)

ItsAllGoingToBeFine

I was unable to find any information on what is contained in cattle feed I wonder why but lets assume cattle eat grass, if grass can grow other plants can grow and it is more sustainable to eat those plants than it is to eat the cow that ate the plants.

"If grass can grow other plants can grow"...my God, I can't believe I'm reading this. Are you serious?

Hang on, I'm just going to call the National Farmers Union.

"Hi Guys, it turns out you've been doing it all wrong? The farming. Yes, that thing you do where you grow crops in some fields because of soil type or drainage or slope or accessibility? Turns out you don't know anything. Someone on mumsnet says that you're just being ridiculous and if grass grows on the ground, you must be able to grow other crops. Yeah, she's an expert - lives in the city, doesn't eat animals, never grown a thing in her life. Yeah, she'll be over tomorrow to show you how it's done."

They'll be in touch.

PigletJohn

p.s. I wonder where the grain-based feeds sold by this company in Cheshire go, for example, if they are not eaten by UK cows?

Or this one?

Did I misunderstand the post about UK cows not eating grain-based feed?

If you'd read the stuff you linked to, you'd have discovered that your products are 'the byproducts from breakfast cereal production'.

That's stalks and indigestible cellulose. The stuff we can't eat goes to the cattle.

You do know that we don't eat the whole of the wheat and barley and oat plant? You know what milling is? And what a thresher is?

You do know that we don't eat the whole of the wheat and barley and oat plant? You know what milling is? And what a thresher is?

Yes

I take it your object is to offend?

PigletJohn

Yes

I take it your object is to offend?

It wasn't, but I don't suffer fools gladly. What with one person suggesting that if grass grows somewhere that means it's suitable for crops and you not realising what goes in to cattle feed I am wondering whether it's just me who knows how farms work - and I don't even farm, I'm a full-time geek.

Surprising article by Liz Jones.

I never knew she owned a small scale dairy supply business but she pays the dairy farmers 50p per liter.

I see that the even more endangered pig farmers are now speaking up.