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Gary Glitter - where next I wonder?

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speedymama · 03/03/2006 09:05

After reading \link{http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4769164.stm\this}, I was wondering which country he will next infiltrate to satisfy his disgusting habit?

The man needs treatment and he needs to acknowledge the damage he is inflicting on his victims and their familiesAngry.

I wonder if his own family have disowned him, particularly his son?

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Angeliz · 03/03/2006 10:22

So if he had treatment would you be happy that he was safe to be in a room alone with a child?

I wouldn't.

TambaTheDragonSlayer · 03/03/2006 10:24

No, of course not. But I just dont think that locking him up with out treatment is like putting a plaster on but not treating the infection.

harpsichordcarrier · 03/03/2006 10:25

there was interesting article in the Guardian at the weekend about this i.e. whether a paedophile can be cured.
I'll try and find a link

cod · 03/03/2006 10:26

when you decide on a sentence( int his country) oyu haev a list fo about 5 purposes of sentencing to choose and you generally choose two fo them

so any sentence you ahgev to decide on what you are trying to achive adn tailor the snetence accordingly.

poppadum · 03/03/2006 10:26

"am outraged about his 'assaults' on the girls but their families must have had some knowledge of what was going on mustn't they?"

I don't see what difference that makes. They were under-age. End of. And his story that he only invited them into his room because they were scared is ridiculous.

I am not ashamed of the outrage I feel at this rich, powerful man preying on desperately poor girls and their families. 3 years isn't anything like enough, and nor does he deserve treatment. He has had his chance and blown it twice already.

harpsichordcarrier · 03/03/2006 10:27

\link{http://www.guardian.co.uk/family/story/0,,1716954,00.html\this guy says he is "cured" and his new partner believes him}

Marina · 03/03/2006 10:46

I read that Harpsi and it upheld my faith in the need to treat and help paedophiles as part of a strong process of preventing them from hurting any children and continuing the abused/abuser vicious circle. BUT I can't help thinking that man was exceptional in his self-knowledge and determination to get therapy before he offended.
I would probably be OK leaving my children with him, but not Paul Gadd. Gadd, like too many sex offenders, still clearly thinks children like being assaulted and that what he is doing is not wrong. :( Angry Until he is willing to change his ways and acknowledge his wrongdoings I am very pleased to think of him festering in a developing world prison.

franke · 03/03/2006 10:51

Just read that article hc. Agree with Marina in that I think the guy in it is a very specific and possibly unusual case - never acted on it, never looked at child porn, sought help and was 'cured'. I can't help thinking the likes of Glitter, Sydney Cooke and Jonathan King are at the other end of the so-called 'spectrum' in that they act on their fantasies and actually believe themselves to be normal and the children to be somehow culpable. I wonder if such a mindset could be reversed - my gut reaction is, unlikely (but then I'm no psychologist).

harpsichordcarrier · 03/03/2006 10:55

well I don't know
I did some work with paedophiles a good while ago
some of them were warped yes, and thought that - for example - the "prejudice" against paedophilia would go the way of the attitudes towards homosexuality in time
among other obnoxious views
but I think to write them all off as "incurable" does no-one any favours
therapy does help but obviously you have to "out" yourself
if you felt these tendencies, then right now would you try and seek help? I wouldn't. your life would be over.
I am not saying be more tolerant, but to make the climate more amenable to people who genuinely want to seek help.

harpsichordcarrier · 03/03/2006 10:56

(not relevant to Gary Glitter clearly.)

Marina · 03/03/2006 11:01

Is it Ray Wyre who works with paedophiles? There must be other practitioners, but as you say, the whole topic is so disturbing and shocking that little publicity is given to the option of therapy actually working for some.

ChampagneandNappies · 03/03/2006 11:03

Sorry but he is one sick bastard who deserves everything he gets!

harpsichordcarrier · 03/03/2006 11:04

I know Marina, I don't normally mention it in RL either because of the reactions I get.
Someone needs to get past the repulsion (not saying that repulsion is not a reasonable reaction mind you) and look for solutions
because hounding paedephiles from town to town is not a solution (like just happened in a town next to mine)

NotQuiteCockney · 03/03/2006 11:06

I thought that Guardian article was very brave, and very interesting.

I'd like to hope that treatment for pedophilia is possible. A friend of a friend had worked with pedophiles, and apparently there are many different kinds and causes of pedophilia, some treatable, some not. I don't remember the categories very clearly, but there were some that were more dangerous than others etc. It made sense.

NotQuiteCockney · 03/03/2006 11:08

I do think that whatever people do, however nasty and wrong it is, we work to convince ourselves that it's the right thing. So, much as rapists convince themselves the women asked for it, or wanted it really, pedophiles will convince themselves that it was consensual, or otherwise ok.

I don't think this sort of delusion is a special quality of pedophilia. It does need to be broken down before people can be healed, in any way, obviously.

harpsichordcarrier · 03/03/2006 11:09

absolutely NQC. it is a complex subject and condition with many different causes.
and sorry to be trite, but in many cases the cause results from childhood experiences. they are not all possessed by the devil, as the tabloids would have us believe.
I say again - NOT RELEVANT TO GARY GLITTER I know

Kathlean · 03/03/2006 11:37

My step-father until the day he died denied that he had done anything wrong and even said that I enjoyed it (he started when I was about 8).

He also got his own neice (same age as me) pregnant when she was a young teen.

I think that he is one of the ones who there would never have been any chance of curing. I think it's a bit like alcoholics and drug users until they want to stop themselves and admit there is a problem then no-one can help them.

The day he died was amazingly uplifting for me.

LilaM · 03/03/2006 13:47

Love the fact that you're all outraged over GG and his 3 year sentence, but you all seem to be missing the point. The two girls he assaulted are prostitutes. I think the whole thing is a farce and if the Vietnamese govt was really that bothered they would do something about the selling of young girls into prostitution. If they had really wanted to make an example of him they would have given him a much stiffer sentence - unfortunately sex-tourism means big money in this and other such countries.

ChampagneandNappies · 03/03/2006 14:07

But LilaM do you not recall that he had child pornography on his PC! He is a sick man.

donnie · 03/03/2006 14:20

LilaL, are you suggesting it is the two girls' fault then? I didn't know they were prostitutes, but even if they were/are, at that age it is still sexual abuse and rape IMO.Or have I misinterpreted your posting?
I do agree that it is the tip if a very sordid and repulsive iceberg though - the child sex trade in SE Asia is rampant and I dont see the authorities doing a great deal to stamp it out.

poppadum · 03/03/2006 14:21

Lila,

Having sex with a 12-year-old girl, regardless of whether he had her consent, is still child rape under Vietnamese law, or indeed any law.

Of course sex-tourism is big in Vietnam. That doesn't make what Glitter did right.

expatinscotland · 03/03/2006 14:26

Hope he gets deported back to Britain to face more charges and hopefully a long prison sentence if he's guilty. Sick, sick, sick.

SueW · 03/03/2006 14:38

Not any law poppadum - age of consent is 12 in Mexico and Philippines. See \linken.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent\here}

SueW · 03/03/2006 14:38

\link{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageofconsent\here}

LilaM · 03/03/2006 15:34

I am in no way condoning what he did and yes, I do know about the child porn on his PC.

Donnie - I think you have misunderstood me. To try and clarify - for me the most disturbing thing about this whole case is that no-one seems to be saying what GG did is quite usual in Vietnam, and that child prostitution is a major problem and something needs to be done to stop it. I certainly don't excuse him or any other sex tourist because the girls they prey on are prostitutes.